High Seas Update: Treasure Chests & MIB Treasures
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Reducing SoS to "regular" and "ancient' and providing additional salvage items to be fished up before the chest is recovered and re-balancing the loot in those chests to distinguish them from Treasure Chests.
So you are talking about nerfing SOSs, WHY. 1 regular chest and if we get lucky an Ancient SOS. How about doing the same with SOSs that you are doing with T-Maps and less junk before we get the chest.
Regular chests currently exist as levels 1-3, and pretty much everything that comes out of them isn't worth the time to fish them up - there just isn't that much variation between 1 -3, so why have them? An ancient offers a little bump, but not much. I'm talking about boosting the loot in both - but not to the level of what you might find in a newly-revamped T-Map. The encounters are too different in terms of difficulty to warrant such.
Also - I'm talking about an entirely new list of stuff to fish up before you get the chest. May be junk to you, but for others its going to be highly coveted decorations and collectibles.
What is your expectation for SOS loot?
Similar to my previous thoughts of the garbage you can find at the cavern of the discarded, I liked the idea of finding a way to salvage items from IDOCs into some sort of garbage collection system, where some items unclaimed from IDOCs can possibly end up bring recycled and found as loot in treasure chests and SOS.
The T hunter gets what they want and tosses the scraps out?
This will just lead to more players doing this with multiple accounts and its back to where it was.
I still believe there are many players that want to do T Hunts alone.
Maybe the hidden compartment in the chest could spawn a Mob like Krampus without minions that requires a group and the group gets to loot.
As for containers, If anything, we would add additional containers to fish up that would look like they've come from the briney deep!
So now the next question is how long before I can start using all my stored SOSs, LOL.
Treasure hunting is long overdue for a meaningful update, though I’d like to see it go a few steps further (more on that later…)
I have no problem with condensing map levels down to something easier to manage, as long as the system is left extensible enough for future updates.
I’m also in favor of a quality v quantity boost to the loot. At this point, I only loot the special items, resources and items the EC tells me will unravel into a relic frag. The rest gets trashed with the chest. While I don’t think everything in the chest needs to be godly, it’d be nice to open a high-end chest and not go “Meh.” What that means exactly is still open to debate…
I’d suggest greatly increasing the quantity of gems and reagents (from every school) and ditching the scrolls (as they hinder the relevance of scribes). I’d also remove the sash of warding and surge shields (does anyone even use those?), then consider pairing down the mana phasing orbs based on what people are actually using (most are considered worthless).
I also second the suggestion of a small chance of older global event rewards showing up, as if the chest were buried during that time period. These could even rotate based on the month, so in Dec. there was a chance to get old holiday deco or a Krampus recipe, in Feb. it could be old V-Day deco, etc. There could be special themed chests as quest or event rewards, the content possibilities here are endless. (think the pagan obelisk spawning maps)
As far as the skills go, I’m fine with moving the functionality associated with mining and rolling it into cartography. Makes way more sense than mining. I’m also fine with giving a use to Remove Trap, as long as the success chance is greatly improved (right now, you fail way too often at GM). Though some consideration should be given to making training the skill less of a grind (read: nightmare) as finding enough chests to untrap is a pain.
The issue with Telekinesis v RT will be a bit trickier to overcome, mainly because its been the norm for two decades. Change is hard, especially for UO players. However, if the end result is means something new and fun, people can learn to cope. Just don’t create a penalty situation for those who still want to cast telekinesis. Let RT bring a layer that people can skip if they wish to remain in the past.
Regarding solo v group *facepalm emoji* This is an MMO. One of those Ms stands for multiplayer. This isn’t a standalone game you dink around in by yourself. Higher-end content shouldn’t be designed with lone players in mind. I have no problem with a L5 or 6 requiring multiple active participants. We should be encouraging group play and the associated community spirit. I think this goes for all facets of the game. Group play should always be the most advantageous.
Personally, I’d like to see a more National Treasure/Carmen Sandiego/questy-type treasure hunt. Say one of the things in the hidden chest compartments is a piece of a map with a clue on it. Something like: “Mu. 15 south.” This might require people to do a little bit of research to figure out it means 15 tiles south of the Shrine of Spirituality – where they find another clue in a small cache. Add the map pieces together and they create a high-level map. Caches could even be in towns, though probably not a good idea to spawn guardians there, and dungeons. Heck, open the system to the EMs and they could tailor some to shard-specific lore as events.
At the end of Krampus we couldn't get others to come kill him.
Krampus just went on for too long. I stopped a few days before he'd been scheduled to end. *shrug*
UO is still an MMO, some content needs to be geared for groups - especially higher-end with the most sought-after loot. While I'd prefer it'd be multiple live players, I have multicliented to do an L7 by myself. It was lonely though.
There is no good solution to the problem of an evaporating player base without actual advertising.
I think the top chests should be 2 player. 2 players can do everything else. The chests wont drop 120 scrolls.
I think they should be able to be done like they are now. But if a group must be used. A group of two is doable.
There are many T hunters that play solo and have for many years. Many of those do not want to use chat to get help.
With the following template I can solo level 6 with a couple of deaths.
Magery: 120
Eval Intel: 120
Meditation: 100
Resist Spells: 100
Inscription: 100
Cartography with Mining swap then with Lock Pick swap: 100
Focus: 80
With some of the purposed changes "Cartography with Mining swap then with Lock Pick swap" would become "Cartography with Lock Pick swap then with Remove Trap swap then with Detect Hidden Swap"? Am I reading the thread right?
Make stuff tricky enough to require 5 plus active players (not dual clients), give it a good reward. If people can’t find enough people, they don’t get the reward. It’s called tough..love
And hell yeah @Bilbo champs should totally also not be able to be solod.
They could do anything even have NPC vendors that only sell certain necessary items to people in a guild with X amount of active non EJ players online. People will soon be encouraging their friends and family to play.
Regardless, I agree with Kyronix. This should not be the norm for a treasure hunter. Like anything else, the skills should be a required investment. If you want to accomplish something, you should have to make sacrifices in your template to accomplish that task.
To be fair, a treasure hunter, due to the nature of treasure hunting and the guardians, should be able to have some ability to defend themselves, yes, and that's where the other 400-420 points come in. You want an effective treasure hunter, that should be what you have to work with. It can be done, at the cost of not being all powerful. Swapping out skills relating to completing a skill dependant task like treasure hunting in favour of power should be penalized, and the investment rewarded.
So if your going to change out mining Pretty Please .............
(pun unattended)
Crippling solo play will only make more people quit and encourage multi client/boxing.
PS after almost 20 years of begging I finally got the wife to try and she now spends more time online than me. And it had nothing to do with my needing help.
"You wouldn't need Detecting Hidden. I'm saying that outright - if we were to incorporate Remove Trap in any meaningful way, you wouldn't need Detecting Hidden. DH has a well versed use in finding hidden things in quest chains, and in dungeon chests. We don't need it here."
DH won't be required.
What I'm stating is that if one intends to juggle skills for something skill intensive like treasure hunting, instead of having invested in all the skills on the template, they should in some way be penalized for that, as that really defeats the entire concept of a "treasure hunter".
@Kyronix, Fair enough. With some of the purposed changes what would my mage template morph into to become a mage treasure hunter? Feel free to rip my template to shreds.