T-map loot terrible?
I've done about 80 lvl 4-5 t maps, most of them in fel, and all in a luck suit. I've kept like 6 pieces of armor that aren't even remotely good, not a single worth while jewel or weapon.
Is t map loot just that bad?
If t maps are this terrible where in the world should I be spending my time lol? I haven't pvmed in years so forgive the ignorance.
Is t map loot just that bad?
If t maps are this terrible where in the world should I be spending my time lol? I haven't pvmed in years so forgive the ignorance.
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Cheers MissE
*shrugs*
I dunno. But yes, Legendaries are dropping like flies. And most of them are as useful as flies.
Also 90% of the decent items are for Mages.
If I have seen a legendary, I may have overlooked it for just being bad
I did 15 lvl 4 and 5 maps last night, and this was literally the only piece of armor I kept, and it's not even good I could basically craft it.
Rare to get eaters with good stats. Rare to get one like above with those stats and 20LRC with better resists. (I have only found things for NOOB suits)
Ultra rare to find a dex piece that is better than what you can craft.
This is normal loot.
So, there appears to be another subtlety with T-hunting. I was going to PM @Kyronix about this, but I'll just post it here. (Warning, this is long Kyronix.)
I've just been through around 100 Hoard, and am now working my way through about 45 Trove.
I too have noticed a significant downgrade in the quality of Magic Equipment in Hoard/Trove compared to Cache.
I think what is happening is the Cartography/Chest quality interaction. Let me break this into 2 parts, Cache, and Hoard/Trove. They are completely separate experiences.
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Cache:
At 100 Cartography, Cache chests are almost always Gold. That means you get a chance at the highest intensity loot, and your luck can bump it even further. I'm getting 1 Legendary out of a Cache chest on average. Some have none, some have 3, but it's only 12 pieces of gear and it's almost a guaranteed Legendary out of 12 pieces of gear.
Out of Cache chests I'm getting some pretty...intense... gear. Enough so that I've re-outfitted almost 28 characters with 100% LRC, 40% LMC, +Intel, +MI, +MR, Full 70's gear. Some of the gear is so ridiculous one of my suits has %95 LMC, yes 95%. I've also pulled some damn good SSI, or SC no -FC shields. Fighter gear hasn't been quite as good, but I've probably pulled 2 suits of Stamina, HP, LMC, Full resist.
Hoard/Trove:
Hoard/Trove is a different story entirely. I think this is because even with 105 Cartography, you're chance to get a Gold Hoard chest is something like ~10%, lower for Trove. Without that Gold chest the loot intensity is....not good. Having a Luck bump at that point just doesn't seem to do much. The base loot intensity in a Standard Hoard/Trove can't be brought up enough, even with high luck, to match what you find in a Gold Cache chest. The result is that Hoard/Trove magic equipment isn't nearly as good, over a similar number of maps, as Cache. I'm not going to call it junk...I'll just say it matches the descriptions posted earlier in this thread.
The loot quality you're receiving from Hoard/Trove does not match the effort you put into Hoard/Trove (compared to Cache) and is not what you're expecting after seeing the loot from Cache chests. I think that we as players are going from Gold Cache, to Standard Hoard/Trove, and seeing a dropoff in loot quality, and thus thinking Hoard/Trove "suck". The loot is in Hoard/Trove, just in the Gold chests, which we hardly ever receive.
On average I'm getting 1 Legendary every 3 to 4 Hoard/Trove. That's with double or triple the amount of magic equipment from Cache. Standard chests just don't have the same number of Legendaries, and when they do, those Legendaries (and all other magic equipment) are not at the highest intensity levels, because they came out of a Standard chest. No matter how much luck you're running, the equipment cannot be increased in intensity to what you find in a Gold chest.
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So, unless there is some increase in the rate of Gold Hoard/Trove, the equipment in them is going to continue to...not be what we are anticipating.
I'm not sure of the fix. If you increase the frequency of Gold Hoard/Trove, you'll be doubling or tripling the amount of loot at the intensity I'm seeing from Cache. You're power creep curve will look like a vertical wall.
If you decrease the frequency of Gold Cache, the majority of the loot will be from Standard chests, and most of your players will scream, "IT SUXXORS!"
If you leave as is, people will convert to Cache at 12 equipment per chest, still outfit tons of characters in max legendary gear, and stop doing Hoard/Trove because....Standard chest "junk".
Wish I had something more to offer as a solution.
In closing, I'm done running Hoard/Trove for now as the chance to get a Gold chest and therefore "decent" loot is so low. Good luck Kyronix, I do not envy you.
(Edit: Yes, I've outfitted 28 characters in max stat gear in 2 months of T-hunting. ***Boggles*** I should also mention not a single piece is Antique or Cursed. ***Boggles Again*** I'm now tossing anything that says Antique, Cursed, Greater Artifact or less and am looking for specific styles of gear at max stats. Max stat Hide with Mage Armor for my elf for example.)
Yes, and No.
On Hoard/Trove? Yes. Once in a great while RNG smiles upon you and you get something mostly worthwhile.
On Cache? No. Below is mostly what I see. (And these are from my *Spares* chest of stuff not being worn.)
*Too bad that Female Leather has HCI instead of Intel or more LMC. I'd have a toon wearing it.
Cache chests are mostly Gold.
Hoard/Trove chests are mostly Standard.
Hoard/Trove = Move along, these are not the loot you're looking for.
I'm giving Hoard/Trove a bad rap there. They are nice for scrolls, especially in Felucca. Trove is actually great for scrolls because you're guaranteed 5 of them, no t-map will spawn.
@Cetric, I think Splintering only appears in Ilshenar (and Ter Mur)?
I do look for things like that picture. (but I have never found anything good enough to try to sell) Do scalis' with a group and wait for loot to go public and you will have the best chance of finding something like that. Will have to look thru scores of legendaries tho. +HP +Str on the same piece is as rare as +Dex +Stam +LMC Regens and studded on a piece.
Looting thousands of items that get trashed with a couple of keepers is normal to me. Shields are the only thing my chars use that I personally have looted.
On LS most players do not take armor out, they open and look for special items.
All of my Cache, Hoard, Trove have been done with +5 glasses.
I hate to tell ya this Cetric, but to me, that item is junk and I would unravel it. Is it for PvP?
I'm not trying to be a smartypants, I'm serious, what is it used for? Is this a PvP vs. PvE perspective thing?
It looks like a mage item, but it's studded and doesn't have mage armor. LRC is low, ER is low, mage mods are low. I don't get it. Because it has Str and HPI on it?
EDIT: Nevermind, I read through Pawain's post. It is for PvP.
Cheers MissE
U can package it how you want, you can make people dance thru as many hoops as possible to get it...but in the end lots are way more disappointed now than they were with the old style.