High Seas Update: Treasure Chests & MIB Treasures
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As in regards to Lockpicking needs, perhaps some additional items with high +Lockpicking skill such as Talismans, Cloaks, Hats, shoes, etc. could be released which, in addition with Skeleton Keys (regular, not necessarily the Master Skeleton keys which are too scarce), might free up "real" skill points on the Template by having Lockpicking skill points on items rather then real ?
This way, Treasure Hunter templates could still find ways to have their Treasure Hunter one way or the other be able to have Lockpicking skill albeit not hurting too much the necessity to also have other skills for combat and the likes...
I am personally not of fan of adding more skill requirements for the sake of mechanics (Cartography, mining, DH, RT, and lock picking) that serve only to find and open a chest. I just don’t feel like those “mechanics” add to the fun of a map, they just add complexity and some tedium.
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@Drakelord - you need to provide some context if you could to what you are trying to say with the skill screenshots you posted. What level chests are you doing? Are you doing them all by yourself with a single character?
The broader concern over Remove Trap is that it serves little, if any, purpose anywhere in game. The same impact for investing in a skill can be obtained with a scroll purchasable from an NPC (save for Siege). This results in an often asked for request - "Make the useless skills worthwhile again". That's what we are talking about at this point in the thread.
Let me reiterate and summarize some of what is on the table for those joining the conversation later in the thread...
- Condensing the number of treasure map levels from 7 to 5, existing maps would convert to the new scheme.
- Rebalancing the levels so 1-3 could be done solo, and 4-5 would be more geared towards group efforts.
- Moving the mass quantities of resources out of higher level chests into lower level chests, so should you wish to acquire resources you could target lower level maps for that purpose.
- Reducing the quantity of equipment but increasing the quality. This would be subject to very fine and hardline balancing. Not every item you pull out of a 4 or 5 is going to be an uber-item despite the reduction in quantity, or the desire for the to be.
- Mining would no longer be required to gain a bonus to chest detection distance. The effect would be migrated to Cartography.
- Magic Unlock would continue to work on lower level maps, lockpicking would be required for higher end.
- Remove Trap would become more useful in some context of Treasure Chests. The exact nature is TBD, but some thoughts are to untrap chests in leiu of telekensis and/or accessing additional loot in the chest, removing traps that are protecting the treasure chest itself (Think of a blend between Champ Spawns, The Curse of Oak Island, and the final scene of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade). This would mean you do not need Detecting Hidden in any context to train/use Remove Trap.
- Reducing SoS to "regular" and "ancient' and providing additional salvage items to be fished up before the chest is recovered and re-balancing the loot in those chests to distinguish them from Treasure Chests.
Thanks again for everyone's participation - look forward to the continued conversation!Again let me reiterate - nothing is final, this is all subject to change.
I have a question regarding the potential change from 1-7 levels down to 1-5, and the 1-3 being solo and 4-5 requiring groups...
Currently SoTs can be recovered from level 4+ maps in Felucca. Would those be moved to the soloable 1-3 levels, or left in the 4-5 level group maps?
For solo maps all that you’ve added changed is using remove trap instead of telekinesis... at the cost of 100 skill points. I don’t see any additional “fun” in that for the solo maps.
For the more difficult group maps, you’ve relegated what was already a tight template (to be both able to dig up the chest, open it, and participate in the fighting) into another mule character that will be brought in on an extra account and hidden off screen while the battle with the guardians takes place.
I do understand that you want treasure hunts to feel like a more immersive experience, I just don’t think adding another skill that will be trained up far from a treasure map and translates into a few more mouse clicks in a context menu accomplishs that.
Perhaps instead of requiring the RT skill, a trap removal kit could drop on one of the guardians corpses. Like the feather in the belfry. Just an idea that would mirror the effect you’re talking about to remove the trap without the skill investment?
100 lockpicking
100 cartography
110 taming
110 lore
100 magery
100 vet or eval...
Honestly... even with remove trap a half decent tamer/mage/treasure hunter is still viable
I know some treasure hunters will most likely figure out how to do all of the maps solo. But some of us don't have the time to perfect the craft to that degree.
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"Fun" is a subjective perspective. If there's a trapped compartment inside the chest and I have to figure out a mechanic to gain access to a reward, and my Remove Trap skill is going to offer me a leg up on that mechanic - that's fun to me, may be fun for others, may not be fun for you. So it's kind of a hard to use "make it fun" as a true barometer.
I'm confused about your statement here,
"For the more difficult group maps, you’ve relegated what was already a tight template (to be both able to dig up the chest, open it, and participate in the fighting) into another mule character that will be brought in on an extra account and hidden off screen while the battle with the guardians takes place."
By the very definition of a group map, you are doing the chest with multiple people. At that point a utility template for participating in the hunt makes sense, but that's not what the encounter is. Let's break it down...
-You need to decode the map with Cartography.
-You already know exactly where to go to get the chest via Davies locker, or just looking at the map depending on the client you are using. No real need for mining to help find it.
-You need lockpicking to unlock the chest.
-You don't need anything except telekinesis and 4 tiles to avoid the traps - which means the traps are pointless at this point.
So really the only "treasure hunting" is decoding a map you'll know the exact location of, unlocking a locked chest and dry looting it in what is really not very treasure-hunty but rather a combat encounter. You are 100% right - the T-Hunter is a mule character, moving the needle in the other way to make it a viable and engaging profession is a goal.
The goal should always be to reward skill investment - that's one of the core principles of the game world. We've gotten too far away from that and moving the needle in the other direction should be welcome.