Measure of a good thief
Arnie used to borrow things. He's eaten 12 level 3 primers and 27 120 ps all snatched from someone's pack while he's long since retired he does miss it at times..
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Never be afraid to challenge the status quo
I don't play pvp, my thief only steals from Mobs - and if you want to see how she does it I can link you to a video or two. I wouldn't stoop to using a script to do it, that's not 'playing' the game.
As I recall, can't you script movement and set detailed parameters for it?
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"Insanity is a naturally occurring mutation; humanity has just managed to perfect it." -- JMK [[me]]
I did semi-recently create a PvP thief which is more so a survive-ability template rather than killing template. IE when I find something to steal (or become revealed and attacked) I will be able to get away rather than be killed. This template worked pretty well in Khuldan during Halloween as I was looking for relics. I've also gotten credit for killing Krampus (only tried once) this year just by casting EVs and healing some sampires... it's no where near as effective of a template as almost any other toon I have but it works (although group play is an absolute must here).
The biggest problem for me is what you mentioned initially where there just isn't much reason to use a thief. I've brought my thief into Deceit this year to steal from monsters and 90% of the time I'm only getting 100-200gp or some gems and then their backpack is empty... no reason to bring my thief out for that. Especially when it flags my thief for like 3minutes or so as a criminal (even when stealing from monsters) where I can't recall so in the dungeon I literally need to run all the way out to be "safe".
The counter problem to changing this is that given mob AI is pretty dumb (they can't even open doors half the time) it could be incredibly OP if thieves were able to steal items of archlich so it's quite the dilemma.
https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/combat/pvm-player-versus-monster/stealing-from-monsters/
My vid of that
https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/combat/pvm-player-versus-monster/stealing-in-exodus-dungeon/
My vid of that
*walks away with everyone's wallet*
Never be afraid to challenge the status quo
A Template geared for killing Spawn in the Exodus Dungeon can get a whole lot more Exodus keys per hour of gameplay as compared to what a Rogue can....
Simply put, using a Rogue template in the Exodus Dungeon to get Exodus keys, even when having decent Luck worn, is not worth it. Better use a fighting character, instead.
Perhaps, @Kyronix , you might want to increase, and quite significantly, the chances for a Rogue character to steal Exodus keys from Exodus Zealots or to be found in Hidden Exodus Dungeon chests ?
It would be at least a start in bringing back for players some reasons to want to use a Rogue, at least for some type of gameplay in UO.....
Luck is 1880 without the statue bonus. I guess her suit could have been expensive, if I'd bought the things she wears instead of getting them by hunting over the years.
Also, I don't always do Exodus for the keys, it's fun to do anyway, and there are other 'prizes' to be won from doing it.
I can take her magery up a bit with a tome of lost knowledge if I want to cast EVs or earth eles etc. I can take her stealth up a bit with a dress from Blackthorn's, but I don't really need to.
Sure I could use a fighting character, but it's nice to have a change of pace sometimes. As I've said several times before, I play for FUN. profit is waaay down on my priority list.
I think if anything they should have more thief quests / rewards. Something like you go see Slim in new Mag and he has you go steal X items to fill orders and you get rewards that way. It would give a purpose to stealing skill and a bit of direction rather than randomness in what you steal.
Do you need Snooping for any of the hidden chest content or for stealing from monsters, or is it entirely only useful when stealing from players?
Unfortunately, a very good Design idea to offer to players a change from the fighting "routine", at least to my opinion, was ruined by the abysmally low rate at which, even with "decent" worn Luck, the chances to get Exodus keys either from stealing from Zealots or to find them in Hidden Chests, were then set to be at, by the Developers.
Just try it out, either go to the Exodus Dungeon with a fighting character "fit" for efficient combat down there, or with a rogue to steal from Zealots or to find them in Hidden Chests, for a couple of hours of gameplay.... and then see how many Exodus keys you gathered either way....
The fighting way is a LOT more efficient and yields a lot more keys in the same time frame.... it just makes using a Rogue not worth it in that Dungeon, IMHO.
Which is sad, to my viewing, because it may deter players from wanting to use a Rogue, rather then a fighting character, in order to get Exodus keys.
The numbers, to my viewing, should not differ too much, whether a player uses combat characters or a Rogue, non-fighting character, to get Exodus keys..... this way, players wanting to have a change to the fighting "routine", would not find themselves at such a disadvantage from using a combat character.
Not to mention, of course, the multi-scripters who go down there with 3+ dexers synchronized with the same macro, killing everything that moves in no time who can collect tons of keys in hardly any time.... forget about even dreaming of being so efficient with a rogue character ..... why would then a player want to use a rogue character that is so much at a disadvantage ?
It looks to me that my argument is right on spot, hardly a derailment of the thread....
1. It's FUN
2. Because a thief gets other things besides Exodus key: Smoke bombs, Parasitic potions, Invis potions, small gems for imbuing, Imbuing essences and ML ingredients, not to mention a considerable quantity of gold.
For the parasitic potions alone it can be a worthwhile trip, those potions take 5 parasitic plants each, and they're not easy to get, which makes filling a 'toxic' BoD difficult, unless you have access to the King's Collection sponge.
It the same thing for people playing bards/fishers/crafters etc. Those professions are all slower at raising money (or getting exodus keys) compared to a warrior but people do it because it's something different to do. If every profession got you to the same place then you would basically just have the first Diablo where it didn't matter what you chose Beserker/Mage/etc you still killed all the same stuff and got to the same point...just slightly different graphics.
@popps - You keep harping on gathering Exodus keys but what is your end game of gathering those keys? You haven;'t said anything about a thief killing the clockwork exodus; likely because they can't. Keys only last a week too so I'm not sure why you keep going back to exodus keys. This goes back to my point that thieves by nature are not warriors or dominant fighters. I agree a thief revamp of things to do is needed but I wouldn't consider exodus keys specifically an issue.
Which it is, like the OP mentiones "he's long since retired....." when talking about a thief.....
What I am trying to say is, that, fun is only part of the equation when playing a character in an item based game, me thinks..... the other part of the equation should be, that, using that "fun" character, players should also not be so largely disadvantaged at getting items as compared to using other, less fun, characters....
I mean, how much work would it be, really, to just increase the chances for thieves to steal Exodus keys from Zealots or to find them in Hidden chests so that their playability was to be "more on par" with fighting characters?
I imagine, that it might just be a number to change in line of code, not sure (I might well be wrong in my assumption...) in order to make it more probable for a thief to steal succesfully an Exodus key from a Zealot or find one in an Hidden chest, thus bringing their efficiency more in line to that of fighting characters and, thus, making Rogues, t least in that setting, more playable because, aside from being fun playing, also being as efficient as a fighting character.
That is at least how I see it.
Sure, Clockwork Exodus needs fighting characters to be killed, nonetheless, as it was mentioned, there might be players who, "for a change", might prefer to use a "non-fighting" Rogue character to gather the keys and THEN, use their other, fighting character to go fight the Clockwork Exodus.....
Yet, while they might like the idea of using, "for a change", a non-fighting Rogue character to gather the Exodus keys, the abysmally much lower, to my opinion, chance of getting keys as compared to using a fighting character to gather them, might totally deter them from using a Rogue and make them "dust" their Rogue and just use a Fighting character all along the line....
THIS, is what I am trying to argue about....
The OP talks about a "retired" thief character.... I am just voicing up withan example that, perhaps, just perhaps, there are sound reasons about "why" players may have retired Rogues in UO, if other characters can get the job done faster, more efficiently....