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But from checking paperdolls the difference between gm skills and lvl 1 primer compared to120 skills and lvl 3 primer with 100 di isnt that high when both are in horrific beast form.
Please make the Grizzled Mare a 5 slot mount, it's incredibly rare and deserves it. Some of us have been waiting a long time for this simple addition.
@Bleak maybe it would be better to allow weapons but have a hard cap on damage no matter what.
I see IDOCs as more "bonuses", extra loot which should instead be used to "even out" wealth to those players who, in Ultima Online, have less and, thus, find themselves as a gross disadvantage as compared to other players who, whatever the reasons, have their Templates far more advances, geared up etc. etc.
Wanting to Design IDOCs mechanics towards "the Rule of the Fittest" I think it as wrong and a lost chance to use IDOCs wealth to help new and returning players to close the huge GAP that they find with existing, more advanced players's characters.
Of course, this is 100% a Developers' call and decision, I am only saying, that each Design decision that is made, obviously, has consequences on players' base and gameplay.
To MY opinion, to the greater benefit of Ultima Online, IDOCs wealth would do a greater benefit to Ultima Online as a whole (that is, to help increase its players' base), if it was used to help new and returning players to CLOSE the GAP which often they are intimidated by versus existing, more advances players' Characters, instead of using IDOCs as yet another "choke" point to promote players' conflictuality and fighting.
Those often spoken about 2-4 weeks accounts which look UO up and then, when they see the huge GAP they would need to have to cover as compared to more advanced and wealthier players' characters, stop playing UO althougether..... Perhaps, is these players could "More likely" have a chance to get items from IDOCs, Trammel or Felucca facets, likewise, they could consider continuing playing UO because getting some "head start" from IDOCs loot towards closing that large GAP which so much intimidates them ?
Of course, then, if one agreed with IDOCs wealth to find its best use towards new and returning players rather then existing, advanced players, the related mechanics governing how players get items at an IDOC, should take this in to consideration as its # 1 Priority thus having designed mechanics where new and returned players would never have higher difficulties as compared to existing, more advanced and wealthier players' characters in order to get IDOCs items.
Needing 120 wresling scrolls, having to fight against existing, more advanced and wealthier players' characters, plays totally AGAINST, to my opinion, the odds of new and returning players who are weaker and poorer, usually, towards getting something from an IDOC.
That is at least how I see it.
1) not allowing pets within say, 30 tiles of the exterior wall of barrels? This keeps the scripters from "script dumping" the loot into a packie
2) the same distance requirement for EJ accounts (see #1)
3) Make EACH character hit/damage/destroy an exterior barrel to even be able to come inside to destroy the interior barrels, OR EVEN BE ABLE to pick up/be traded loot from the idoc
4) make it so that if you are "over weight" the items you would receive when you start emptying your backpack are deleted to keep ppl from hitting several barrels and collecting loot from all of them as they empty out their pack
5) This is a big one! NO PLACEMENT OF HOUSING WITHIN 30 TILES OF AN IDOC. When a house turns "like new" house placement is automatically turned off until after the house falls and placement is available
6) Have you actually thought of banning the scripters? It's always better to be proactive than reactive.
More can be done, but these suggestions would be a good start!
Can you please respond with the possibility/likelyhood of any of this coming to pass. As well as any information as too how much longer this will be tested, before going "live". Nothing has been said, and I really hope the plan isn't for this to go live this week without any changes!!! Thanks, and again, I applaud the effort, but some changes are needed if goal is to "level the playing field" between the scripters, and the players who DO play within the rules. As far as the skill needed, I have no problem with ANY of the skill requirements. Someone who spends the time to train up a character SHOULD have an advantage.
Obviously, the best solution would be to ban the scripters, but, for whatever reason, that isn't happening!
That's actually a good thing considering it's still on test. Catch it now when it's easier to fix than later when the devs are working on another list.
Cool so if they do that for IDOCS they should do it for every other scenario. No skill needed. Everyone does the same damage.
UO is about choices. You can't do everything on one char. I know many people get around that by taking oh, I don't know, three accounts to the same event.
The subscribed character would actually need to recall to House, Bank or a Ship, unload it, and get back to the area for more barrel punching thus giving time to other players to get some items on their own.
After that timer lapses then everything would go back to normal but until the timer is still on, the game would simply REFUSE for the item to get into an EJ backpack or into that of a pack animal.
I imagine that this could effectively address any scripting issue since it would not be possible to script a loot --> drop in packie/EJ character --> go back for more looting script.....
It is not possible to mix up IDOCs with the rest of the content.
IDOCs, as I see them, are not regular gameplay on which one can count and organize one's own gameplay around.
IDOCs are the "odd ball", the occasional bonus, unpredictable, unreliable.
And, as I said, therefore iDOCs cannot be Designed in the line of the rest of the content but should have a particular Design that goes uniquely with them, and according to the Goal that the Developers want to reach through IDOCs.
Personally, and I have stated my opinion several times now, I think that IDOCs should be Designed and regulated in a way to address their wealth ESPECIALLY to those who have less in Ultima Online, and not to those who already have plenty in Ultima Online.
Of course, in order to reach this goal, consequentially, the related mechanics regulating IDOCs should NOT permit much more organized, well established and already wealthy UO players' characters to have the upper hand when it comes to getting IDOCs items as compared to much weaker and less whealty new or returning players' characters.
And this, as I explained in a previous post, not only for Trammel ruleset facets but also for Felucca facets.
I sure hope that this is not what the Developers want, for IDOCs mechanics, where always the same wealthier and more advanced and organized players' Characters get most if not all of the items from IDOC thus getting even more rich....
I think that the "odd ball" of IDOCs wealth should be more likely to end up in poorer and weaker players' characters who need them the most rather then into the ends of players who already have more then plenty, in Ultima Online.
I don't understand your desire to punish non cheating players because of the scripter threat.
Seems like the Devs are making some steps forward to dealing with cheating the best they can
while keeping the game interesting by adding new things.
In the meantime, go train up wrestling char if you want an edge as it is now useful just like other surprise skills being useful - Remove Trap.
Here ya go...Why do I have to train up and scroll 10 different pets for different encounters? Shouldn't just one be enough? Shouldn't all the bosses and spawns be the same? I already bought one of each 120 scrolls for my beloved pet. Now I need more because one pet does not fit all?
Stay in Tram or get more friends. They have proved time and time again they will not deal with the big scripters. They would rather pad their numbers with banning the lil guy macroing Spirit speak in their own houses.
Im guessing most of this is a done deal, just like the treasure hunting fiasco.
My stance on Felucca IDOC PvP is logical, simple and doesn't require simulation.
If the devs are trying to come up with ways to make it harder for scripters to get loot, then removing PVP is the worst thing you can do. Bots don't win at PVP, players/guilds do.
Regardless, the game originated on Felucca ruleset. The world of Ultima Online was digitally duplicated to cater to people who don't want to PVP. Now people want to throw in special circumstances to try and change Felucca ruleset? Felucca ruleset should remain the same for IDOCs. It attracts a lot of people and the combat that occurs there has been some of the best times I've had in this game.
1. Fill the entire fenced area with barrels. Put barrels on all tiles within the fenced area regardless of the number of total items packed from the house. Players need to destroy at least one barrel each step forward. This could slow scripters a bit and also make it hard for players to hit multiple barrels quickly just to get the looting rights easily.
2. Some barrels have items in them, some are just dummy and empty. They should look all same, and the mouse over property should only show "a barrel".
3. This is the most important part. When a filled barrel get hit by a player first time, the barrel makes a sound effect. The player can see the barrel has items in it and not empty if the player hears the sound. The sound effect can only be played once when a barrel got hit first time and only the player who hit it can hear the sound. Why a sound effect ? Because scripted chars can't hear and recognize sounds while normal human players easily can. Can add a visual effect too for the hearing impaired and for players that prefer sounds turned off but the visual effect should be in a form that scripts can't recognize also the first hit player can only see the visual effect.
So, if weaker and poorer players' character needed to get some luck at IDOCs, being able to participate to Felucca IDOCs along with Trammel IDOCs would give them more chances at getting a few items which they most need....
Want me to give a more significative example among many that cold be possible ?
Powerscrolls.....
What is there which a new or returning player might need as THE MOST among all items ?
Powerscrolls....
And ain't it true that, being farmed, raided and fought over in Felucca (not in Trammel), the chances could be higher to get 1 or some from an IDOC in Felucca rather then inTrammel ?
A Red cannot have a home in Trammel, perhaps might not even want to.... yet, it is highly likely that a Red would have quite a good stock of powerscrolls whether from doing Champs or raiding them.
So, a new or returning players would have higher chances to get some Powerscrolls which they might more need at an IDOC Felucca rather then at a Trammel one.
This, of course *IF* , to my opinion, the Developers, in their wisdom and judgement of what Goals they want to reach through IDOCs ( @Bleak , @Kyronix ?) will Design the IDOCs mechanics so that weaker, less advanced and less wealthy players' characters will be still able to participate to Felucca IDOCs , even when competing against way more advanced and wealthier players' characters.....
Getting friends ?
Sure, it is always a nice thing but guess what ? This is something more likely to be there for guess who ? Those more advanced, existing and wealthier players' characters who have been playing Ultima Online already for a consistent time....
New and returning players would be at a gross disavantage here, also.... as whatever "new" friends they might make in UO would hardly match the friends that those players' characters already in Ultima Online for Years might already have....
Personally, the way I see it, is that the "GODs" of Ultima Online, the Developers, should Design and create machanics which BALANCE OUT the game among players and not advantage a subset of players over another, worse, when the advantaged players were to be those who already have the most advanced characters, most wealth, most friends to play with, most everything....
To my opinion, IDOCs mechanics should be aimed at BREAKING this Monopoly from existing, older and more advanced and wealthier players' characters, NOT further promote it.
At least, that is the way I see it.
We are NOT talking about regular, ordinary gameplay content, IDOCs, to my opinion, is a particular content which cannot be mixed up with regular content as they are a special bonus, unpredictable, occasional.
AND, furthermore, IDOCs could be just perfect to be Designed to be aimed at helping NEW or RETURNING players to get special and particular items which they would not be normally able to get, because of their high prices, to COVER and close that intimidating GAP which many of them face towards existing, older and more advanced and wealthier players' characters.
An unpredictable bonus which new and returning players' characters could put to good use, way more then older, existing and more advanced and wealthier players' characters to "beat" that curse for Ultima Online which often sees new or returning players to play Ultima Online for 2-4 weeks, get intimidated by the GAP between their characters and those of existing, older and more advanced and wealthier players' characters, and quit playing UO althougether thus not helping the numbers of its players' base.....
IDOCs, if well Designed to help these players, BOTH for Trammel AND Felucca ruleset facets, could be a BLESSING for new and returning players to help them get items which they extremely need, but cannot afford to buy in the game....
So, I am sorry, but I need to disagree with you.
IDOCs are not and cannot be considered regular gameplay content as the rest, they are unpredictable, special, and should be considered as such, as a "tool" to balance out new/returning players with older, existing ones, and help close that intimidating GAP in between them.
That is at least how I see it.
In my opinion if you actually have to train some skills most players will just stick to idocs at there home shard/s.
There are very few skills that NEED 120s for players or pets. 110 kills shit just fine in PvM. Any new player is not really thinking PvP at this point. They are learning the game. By the time they are thinking PvP, they have friends that will help them gain (earn) the scrolls they need.
Fel is Fel. New players probably should not be there yet anyways. Stay in tram, learn the game. Its not like there wont be IDOCs where its safe.
It is still unfortunate that the Devs chose not to pack the items into the owner's bank, which was a more popular choice for most players. Would love to hear Mesanna's thoughts on this matter as a whole.
I agree that no templates/skills should matter to the unarmed damage. It should just be random. Going to be funny when everyone literally looks like noob miners again!
However, I do not believe in "free lunch", especially this free lunch is so juicy and is the biggest "treasure hunt" in UO. Now EVERYONE WILL just sit and wait to be fed.
And since the locations/time is now freely available via NPC, people will likely be doing full time IDOC and even on more shards, especially the barrels will stay until server downtime.
This will happen and will not be healthy gameplay.
As for FEL, saying "FEL is FEL...etc" is too cheap and too late as reasoning. Too much cheating has been done. You cannot ignore this. It's funny how people are not even mentioning the cheating. Unfortunately, no positive test result will also come from Fel side and the big cheating groups will continue to cheato when no one else can see them in action.
It will be entirely up to the Devs to go ahead and implement right measures into the patch before too late.
Sure, the difference is not "that" noticeable as with Powerscrolls but still, Felucca does yield them more likely as compared to Trammel... and these are fundamental for a new or returning player's character in need to train up skills....
Thus, IDOCs in Felucca could more likely have drops of them as compared to IDOCs in Trammel...
Frankly, I do not understand WHY there should be any interest at all, to have older, existing players' characters ALREADY all developed, scrolled up and pretty much having all the items that count, not to mention a good UO Bank account balance, to FURTHER be those most advantaged by IDOCs mechanics to get "MORE"....
Wouldn't it, instead, be more beneficial to Ultima Online as a whole, if IDOCs related mechanics were Designed with a PARTICULAR interest towards those who have LESS, are less developed, less geared up etc. etc., the NEW and RETURNING PLAYERS who could then prticipate to IDOCs, Trammel and Felucca rulesets LIKEWISE, to better, more quickly advance their characters in Ultima Online getting expensive items from IDOCs which they would otherwise have lots of difficulties to get from regular gameplay ?
I see IDOCs as a GREAT occasion, a great chance at helping out New and Returning players in their needs to give them good reasons to STAY with playing Ultima Online and thus help UO's Revenues with their monthly subscriptions, so much, that I do not see the point of why, instead, the Designed IDOCs mechanics should then instead favour more the "FITTEST" who, chances are, already have plenty and far beyond what is really needed to play Ultima Online.
My point being, and I am sending out this plea and begging straight to the Developers of Ultima Online, @Bleak , @Kyronix , @Mesanna , IN THE BEST INTEREST of Ultima Online as a whole, rather to have IDOCs mechanics which would favour those players' characters who already have plenty in Ultima Online, WHY NOT instead Design and implement mechanics which would offer a hand or two to NEW and RETURNING players' character who MOST would need items from IDOCs, regardless on whether from a Trammel or Felucca ruleset IDOC ?
There's an old saying about giving a hand up not a handout. The barrel thing is odd but it looks like it's going to even the field slightly.
You want stuff? Go grind for it like the rest of us have.
yes you can but by that time your opponent has gotten at least one, probably more hits in on you while you are completely defenseless, thus applying significant damage and debuffs like hit lower defense that will lower your chances to recover and strike back.