Pub 105 - Treasure Map Update Phase I *See new thread!*
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Here are some quick observations, both the maps I did were stashes.
- Please fix "something is standing in your way" - very annoying when trying to loot and there are corpses on the ground next to the chest
- Graphics when chest is digging seem to be off on the z-axis? I dont see the chest at all until the moment the guardians are spawned. I am using the classic client.
- Maybe increase the item count a little.
- I do like the new mage reagent bag.
- Anything you can do about the overlapping of trees on the chests? There's a bit of difficulty involved just clicking on the chest. the circle of transparency doesn't seem to work as well as it should.
- Like other posters have mentioned. Please disable Detect Hidden from using Remove Trap.
- Maybe find a way to make RT easier to gain?
Thats all for now. Thanks@Arroth_Thaiel ; - Ideally I would have liked to have done what you suggested, and toyed with a scheme that matches what you proposed pretty closely. Unfortunately, in the end, there just wasn't enough loot to go around to make each chest interesting to go after. The main goal of the revamp was to provide a reason to target lower level maps instead of just higher ones, and provide a means to target the specific items you find valuable, while avoiding what you would consider junk. Hopefully with the new package distribution you will be able to do that.
See more of my answers in-line above, but with that being said I'll close with this...
We appreciate everyone who has taken the time to provide feedback so far, and look forward to more of it as we move through the testing process for Forgotten Treasures. With anything new, there is certainly going to be some relearning, re-configuring, and re-adjusting. The proposition of that should be exciting and welcome in a world where we are constantly barraged with cries of "make the world more interesting and give me a reason to log in!" When we are met with immediate dismissal of any change at all from the status quo, it makes delivering on that request extraordinarily difficult. Despite those challenges, we hope the final product will be something that encourages those to brave the wilds and rediscover some of those Forgotten Treasures!
I just solo'd a horde chest. Still doable. Failed to remove the trap, so that's the first one to blow up in my face. Managed to get a greater artifact in what remained of my loot, a pair of elven glasses. I feel like those are new.
Thought of something to try while doing that... so I went and did a supply chest (formerly level 2-3) and tried magic unlock. No longer works, for anyone curious. Still not getting any real loot in the lower level chests, but I did get a runed sash of warding this time along with the gems and gold.
Oh, and I did have some bugged, indecipherable maps. Seems leaving them for several hours and trying again worked for most... and few worked after being locked down, and I have one who chooses to remain obstinate.
Edit: And my OCD must ask why there's suddenly an extra 1 gold in the gold piles... 10,001, 20,001... Seems weird.
I would definitely call it group content.
And we got two hives to spawn while killing the guardians and yes the t-rex was a guardian.
One issue with the T-Rex, it's inheriting the quest flag so you cannot damage it unless you have The Great Hunt quest:
I ran over to Sakkhra and picked up the quest and was able to damage the T-Rex after that.
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(note: not had a chance to go to test yet)
1. Consider making Telekinesis not work on anything over a level 1, but allow it for the level 1 with no penalty. After all, someone that is a T-Hunter in training is far more likely to not have significant levels of Remove Trap until they are also closing in on level 2 maps. Open Locks should not work on map chests, or require GM+ for level 1s, only.
2. Instead of DESTROYING items when Remove Trap not used, make Remove Trap give some sort of bonus loot. Say, an item dropped into the pack of the person using RT. The COLOR TEXT for doing so would say that they saved an item from being destroyed by removing the trap, but that would just be for RP purposes. It would probably be lot easier to code an extra random item drop, than deciding what randomly gets destroyed, and to debug it/get it to work properly (based on my experience as formerly being a CS/math teaching major).
3. If not already done so, remove the 50-stone weight property from items placed in Treasure Maps. No sane pirates would carry those things to the middle of nowhere to bury, and they make looting current chests a pain in the rear, when looting items for a training imbuer to unravel.
4. Consider some sort of new level 0 map for "young" characters as part of any revised NPE. I saw a significant drop in new T-Hunters after those new player quests that gave those maps went away.
5. Make sure that the chest damage levels are normalized when adjusting the new maps (the current level 2 massive damage bug is real, even though you may not have encountered it personally. As most people never do level 2s (but they are my favorites from balance of difficulty and loot - see the screencap below - it's a level 2...), it's been under-reported).
6. And, as some people earlier in the thread reported, the "dig spot not at the pin" bug is also alive and well, as mentioned in my private message to you a couple days ago. This is a screencap of one of the incidents I mentioned (this one is on Amoeba, but I had it happen on Valor Island, with the river south of Britain moongate, and the 3 branches of the river between Vesper and the Sacrifice shrine).
The pin is entirely on the other side of the river. The chest was to the south and east (and the dead stuff on the other side were things that attacked me when I searched in vain when the pin told me to look).
7. Lastly, please consider rebalancing the skills needed for each map to not be as severe a jump as current Cartography and Lockpicking (which has a 40-ish point jump between level 1 & level 2).
The new Level 1s need to be accessible to anyone with BOUGHT levels of Cartography & Lockpicking (and if you added a T-hunter template, someone with 30 LP/Cart/RT/magery). Prior to this TC publish, a character STILL needs to train LP & Cart a few points beyond bought points, if doing it without using magery for Open Locks and TK.
The new Level 5s need to be GM, of course.
Levels 2, 3, and 4 need to be more evenly spaced than the current level 2-6 that they replace. A lot of would-be T-hunters have given up in the past, because the 40 point gap between minimums for level 1 & level 2 maps was so big a stretch that they felt like they were making no progress (not seeing it through to where the gaps between levels switches to 10 or so between each level after reaching level 2s, going up to GM).
Say, something like:
just tried 3 more level 1 maps same thing guardians and no chest
@MissE I agree with pretty much everything you said, past experience has shown it to be mostly the case.
At this stage i would have thought your best plans would be to keep current level of players and try to encourage more players to stay in the game to keep it going and not deter and drive players away. I hope you can see some sense and try to be fair towards the PvM crowd and not keep trying to force life into fel which has been a dead shard for me since it came in in 2000 keep the life in Tram where the biggest no of your player base is.
I don't see any remove trap requirements, which is good. I don't know how I'd re-tool.
I don't understand the "cartography" level though.
I rarely do chests in Fel, I've done a few but I won't be making my t-hunter's career out of them.
I really only like the Trammel and Malas ones, most of the other places it takes longer to clear the surrounding area than it does to do the chest. I've had some real stinkers in Ter Mur...
I was going to copy my t-hunter over to test but if there are so many bugs I think I'll wait until things work properly first. Also I don't have any remove trap skill so I guess I can't actually do anything anyway.
My current t-hunter "real skills" template is: 100 cartography 100 lockpicking 51 mining 100 magery 69 meditation 80 evaluate intelligence 100 music 120 peacemaking
I've never played the game of using a soulstone to swap skills off and on while digging up maps because I just don't have the money or the extra useless characters to swap skills so casually. If remove trap must be squeezed in on top of everything else, I honestly don't know how I'm going to even do treasure hunting anymore. It's not like I'm great at it now as it is. I can't solo anything over a level 4 map today because I'm not just not that great of a player at being able to run two characters at once.
So at this point, I'm pretty bummed about these changes. Training remove traps is horrid and also requires training up detect hidden first and then training tinkering as you train remove trap. I really really do not want to do that again because I've done it several times already for now-useless faction characters that are not on the same accounts as the t-hunters.
I feel like I've bumbled along for years attempting to get minor league treasure hunter characters trained on a couple of shards, wasted vet reward picks getting davies lockers, and now it was all pointless unless I want to plan on spending the next several years grinding out a horrid skill and trying to acquire ridiculously over-priced and rare jewelry and other items to gear up still-pathetic treasure hunters. I'm bummed but not surprised either.
Seems like anymore you guys just keep adding stuff to the game that isn't meant for casual payers who don't want to drop a lot of real cash on UO. I'm about to close all my accounts and say forget it. UO is not for me.
I brought a number of maps over with a character copy this morning. They all decoded without a hitch, offering the new names and no "Need more time" message.
One odd bit:
With decoding roughly 100 maps so far, these include two TC batches generated from bank, maps brought from Chessy, and a very small sampling from the pillar dispensers near Luna moongate, I've had one single TC bank map that offered the old message "The treasure is marked by the red pin. Grab a shovel and go dig it up!"
All the rest offered the message "You successfully decode a treasure map".
Edit: Never mind about the message saying Grab a shovel! I think that's the message you get if you open an already decoded map. I must have hit that map twice to decode it
Not thrilled about having to add remove trap AND detect hidden to my t-hunter. I am not ''saving'' skills points by not needing mining any more because I did not use it before. And, if I understand this correctly, I now must also keep carto on the template instead of just decoding the maps for the evening and stoning the skill. That leaves me with 320 combat skills to do a solo spawn. Having said that, however, it is doable.
My template atm:
120 Mage
120 Spellweaving
80 Med (100 with jewls)
100 Carto
100 Detect
100 Remove Trap
100 Lockpicking
No trouble whatsoever with Malas and Tram lvl 1-3 using just EVs. Malas Horde took a bit longer, but was not difficult. However, I failed several times to pick the lock on the chest and the resulting 4 dust piles made me sad. I realize the other facets have harder spawn, but they have always been more effort than I cared to spend. I will leave the Ilsh, Eodon, etc ones for group hunts, or bring my tamer on another account along with me.
Level 1 and 2 maps did not require lock picking. Magery unlock spell was enough, without causing any dust piles. Even at GM, I often fail to remove the trap on even the lowly level 2 chest. This does not appear to destroy any contents, though. Magery spell remove trap does not work at any level of map.
I have not found a Malas Trove map yet, but I will test that for solo-ability when I do. The group ones can just have a dedicated chest-opener member, I suppose. Brings me back to the old DnD days when you just had to have a rogue on the team for some content. I know lots of people like their solo treasure hunting, and they can still do that. But I am happy that there is a reason for a group to go.
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Treasure Hunters
Please also increase the skill cap by 100
all of this and we just wanted a bump to loot...
will be interesting to see the finished product tho
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