A mid term solution for automation

Jack_UO · December 14

Hello,

Ill start by saying we've all player this game for years but I'm pretty that I've played this game possibly more than anyone I know and I wont get into details. There might be a few ppl that have played Ultima Online more than me or as much as me on OSI servers since the early days. Year after year, everyday, without exception for more hours that I could ever be able to count even against the clock. Thus I think i earned the right to give my personal insight on this topic.

It is undeniable that CC was outdated and its also obvious that the management are listening to the community claims by making the web classic client. And aside from the few things I could say about it that I dont like coz we rarely stop to regards any virtues of things that unites us as human beings (some of them, the web client features are just wrong), although all that I would like say that I agree with my collegues when they say something had to be done about automation if we didnt want to become Runescape. We all know how it ended.

This being said I also agree that pvpers are a sustancial part of this community and its absense was notorious a couple days ago when **** was no longer an option. The daily comunity was reduced at least 50%. Yew was empty. A bunch of lost pvpers were asking in chat if someone wanted to fight. It was clear that the tacit response was united and joint.

If you ask me I would improve all the features that **** had without the automation, and here i would like to make a stop and throw an idea. Theres a point of semi-automation for what I know, im not a pro pvper but i think theres some sort of sync script someone correct me if im wrong? that requires active playing but simplifies gameplay and like this i think it would be a good idea to allow some sort of simplification that made the pvp experience a bit less traumatic. We shouldnt remember when the game started there was a few potions, bandaids, bolas and food, its been a whle i might be missing something but you get my point, the experiece with all the new petals, pies, apples, bombs, surikens, all the new potions, conflag, nova, urali, shatter, mana draught, seed of life, all of the balms, targeting keys and macros, etc etc. makes the experiece much less friendly and therefore less enjoyable. For me, lost track of all this new features coz when i tried at first it was rather painful to try to keep all the green bufs up and the reds down. The point is automation is an unsatisfied need that might open a gap in the wall. A gap without return. Lets pay special and dedicated attention to this issue, I know we things this is being dont but its not, coz we are a small community and the loss, as we saw in the previous days, of a substancial player base might be a non return point for all of us.

For me the web client is a sign of good will and a valued approach from the management but its clearly insuficient coz it leaves needs unsatisfied. We all understand its a beta and that it takes time to debug and maintain the code but please,lets listen and lets not forget about many of us that either only pvp or both pvm and pvp and that the current update leaves aside. I think the semi automatiion idea is a recipe that could potentially convince an inicial fair part of the people that were using 3pp but the mayority of the pvp community wont accept to come back if the pvp experience is not simplified by the implementation a semi automation system. Only that would close the gap and help us keep the strengths united for a better common future.

Safe travels,

Elite / Jack

loop · December 15

People asked for a 2D client with smooth FPS, resizable game window, and grid containers. We have that now. What else do you want?

At the end of the day, people who don’t want to be satisfied will never be satisfied. They can threaten to quit, but they won’t. Maybe PVP will be more fun with less automation?

Skett · December 15

loop said:

People asked for a 2D client with smooth FPS, resizable game window, and grid containers. We have that now. What else do you want?

At the end of the day, people who don’t want to be satisfied will never be satisfied. They can threaten to quit, but they won’t. Maybe PVP will be more fun with less automation?

we do have that now at a cost ,

once again we are stuck using incomplete and or out dated clients

I like web cuo but its missing a lot stil. l im sure someday it will have most the basic features the cc has and maybe even ec as well when thought ?

if you used the web cuo you would know this

its not just fps or larger windows and container grids, we at least would like a fair and level playing field = all clients = not some faster some better macros some ect.

Jepeth · December 15

Skett said:
once again we are stuck using incomplete and or out dated clients

I like web cuo but its missing a lot stil. l im sure someday it will have most the basic features the cc has and maybe even ec as well when thought ?

if you used the web cuo you would know this

its not just fps or larger windows and container grids, we at least would like a fair and level playing field = all clients = not some faster some better macros some ect.

What basic features from the cc do you see the web CUO lacking?

firec · December 15

Jepeth said:
What basic features from the cc do you see the web CUO lacking?

From my observations, the ability to easily intercept and inject specific packets from the client to the server

I'm assuming most people who used **** have no idea what actual CC was capable of by this point

Skett · December 15

@Jepeth

same speed turning and running as cc/ec all to be equal

remember desktop - have paper doll open and in same spot

on login screen remember and show highlighted last char logged in

bugs

items not showing in containers, in game and on char

macros stop working randomly

when leaving from some vendor house client freezes up

cant use nova and conflag (PB)

im sure more....

ive only used the client maybe 10 hours Like i said I like it so far im not knocking it I realize it is still in beta that's why im pointing this all out as well as correcting anyone saying everyone got what they asked for,

I also don't like having to use chrome and discord to use it but if that's the compromise so be it.

Pawain · December 15

loop said:

People asked for a 2D client with smooth FPS, resizable game window, and grid containers. We have that now. What else do you want?

At the end of the day, people who don’t want to be satisfied will never be satisfied. They can threaten to quit, but they won’t. Maybe PVP will be more fun with less automation?

Well that is straight to the point.

Let's see, they said 5% dared to use Fel for the event. Id say most of that 5% were tram players brave enough to go. Or Tram players who felt the Bots were a problem in Tram. So they went to check it out and found few there bothering them.

PvP used to be skill based, I hear more players wanting that back. The OP is mad because of apples and other items that dilute PvP? Come on. That is part of the skill. He wants automation to return, That is not skill. They should also change trapped boxes so they do not remove para.

More PvPers want skill based PvP not automation!

A trammy knows that but the Elete player who puts in more hours that others do comes to tell us what the game should be. I can guarantee he has not played more hours than a 73 yr old Fisher, T Hunter, and every thing else tram player I know.

loop · December 15

Skett said:

loop said:

People asked for a 2D client with smooth FPS, resizable game window, and grid containers. We have that now. What else do you want?

At the end of the day, people who don’t want to be satisfied will never be satisfied. They can threaten to quit, but they won’t. Maybe PVP will be more fun with less automation?

we do have that now at a cost ,
once again we are stuck using incomplete and or out dated clients

I like web cuo but its missing a lot stil. l im sure someday it will have most the basic features the cc has and maybe even ec as well when thought ?

if you used the web cuo you would know this

its not just fps or larger windows and container grids, we at least would like a fair and level playing field = all clients = not some faster some better macros some ect.

You’re not supposed to use your hands when you play soccer. You’ve been allowed to use your hands for too long.

If you think the EC has a better feature set than web CUO, you should use the EC. The playing field is level when all players are permitted to use the same clients.

Skett · December 15

@loop

i treid using the ec makes me feel sick i dont like it

ive never use any 3rd party client or add-ons other than uo assist years ago so not sure what your soccer reference is about.

I only use cc plain nothing else and it isnt nearly as good as ec when it comes to features and speed

would be nice if we could all have the same features in each client

if that bothers you im sorry

Pawain · December 15

The main Bugs I find with CUO are:

The sound will mess up after a few hours and you have to close the client.
You do not get the time out notification. When you do time out, your screen is there but not moving, you cant log out, you have to close the client.
Macros do mess up when you log chars on and off to collect rewards. I learned to save the state when you have things like you want them and reload that state and the macros return. Many times you can get them to return by restoring the state.
When you type in the wrong password, you have to close the client and start again.
The masteries are under spells in CC. You can set a macro to choose nearest target, attack that target with a mastery such as Stagger or Onslaught. I cant do that with 1 press in CUO.
I think it uses more resources than CC, I cant have 4 accounts on and watch TV, It starts to lag my stream. My computer is old and I have 30+ things like lights and other things automated thru WiFi in my house, The Spectrum guy says I'm trying to put too much stuff through the pipeline. I have the max speed and it works great when those 30 things are not on. But using 4 CCs works fine.

Pawain · December 15

Moral of the story. Yall are going to have to adapt like the legit clients users had to adapt to compete against the BOT trains.

And real PvPers had to against automation.

Maybe more PvPers will return if the playing field stays equal like it must be now, because the cheaters are the only ones complaining about this!

Dont let the door hit u in the arse!

firec · December 15

Skett said:

@ loop

i treid using the ec makes me feel sick i dont like it

Oh wow. This is pretty serious, and I'm not a professional, but have you ever consulted a medical professional about this? Is it just Ultima Online Enhanced Client? Or other games as well?

Skett · December 15

Pawain · December 15

I'm the same way, Just looking at a screenshot of EC can make me queezy. Any video of it or me trying to play it will make me queezy and ruin my vision for a while. I am nearsighted and wear glasses.

I have not seen any other game that does that.

Skett · December 15

psycho · December 15

The standard line would be:

People will use whatever gives them an advantage/benefit.

For many people its not about smoother graphic 60fps, grid container/resizable, zoom, map, this and that. By all means the client is outdated, but Its mostly about pvp and what gives them an edge over the enemy. This is sad, what we want is a level playing field, but after a while Ive come to the conclution that people dont care about level playing field at all. the old field hack/tree hack is already implemented in the now banned client. Some people dont care about pvp and just want the scripting part, for their advantage 24/7. yes lets to champ spawns/trade runs/kill fandancers 24/7 and other things because thats fair for the rest of the shard population.

This is the reason the now banned client should never come back.

But it will, development are ongoing 24/7 and there are other clients also that are not banned that can do some of the same things. If devs mean serious business with the war on 3rd party programs is not a time to rest. You should take a list of the players not playing the game currently, and look up what they doing when the illegal client is back in business. chances are the ban hammer might have to be used.

What Id like to see is am improved 2d client with most of the features, but without the scripting part. Its the scripting part that ruins it. You can script in EC client also, but its limited, for a good reason. And UO assist need to go away / get a major improvement, same with map, the 2d client doesnt have a map and you need external maps such as Carto or UOAM, its not even on a approved 3rd party list. Looks like the devs have alot of work ahead, but I believe UO can come out of it very good

Jack_UO · December 15

loop said:

People asked for a 2D client with smooth FPS, resizable game window, and grid containers. We have that now. What else do you want?

At the end of the day, people who don’t want to be satisfied will never be satisfied. They can threaten to quit, but they won’t. Maybe PVP will be more fun with less automation?

Pvmers, me included we asked for a modern version with FPS, but pvp is another story. I dont want anything Im saying a negotiation is not a threat, you play your cards, you dont get what you want you pick up your stuff and leave. Why would you stay if they dont reach your minimum. Simple as that.

Yes, thats an excellent idea! Lets deconstruct pvp (completely) and start playing it wil commands like Linus would do it!

Semi automation is an unsatisfied need. And needs that are not taken into account sometimes dont get to a deal.

Skett said:

@ Jepeth

same speed turning and running as cc/ec all to be equal
remember desktop - have paper doll open and in same spot
on login screen remember and show highlighted last char logged in

bugs
items not showing in containers, in game and on char
macros stop working randomly
when leaving from some vendor house client freezes up
cant use nova and conflag (PB)
im sure more....

ive only used the client maybe 10 hours Like i said I like it so far im not knocking it I realize it is still in beta that's why im pointing this all out as well as correcting anyone saying everyone got what they asked for,

I also don't like having to use chrome and discord to use it but if that's the compromise so be it.

Aide from automation or in this case we are talking about a mid range solution theres bugs and that should be treated in the right path

BUGS:

items not showing in containers, in game and on char

macros stop working randomly

when leaving from some vendor house client freezes up
Client crashes when recalling to a vendor f

cant use nova and conflag (PB)
Items dropping to the floor insured / blessed (this happened a while ago idk if they fixed it)

And things to improve like for instance:
1) the "damaged item warning" to repair your stuff not showing for 15 consecutive points and your item lose a HUGE amount of durability coz it just wont say it. Thats something that could be improved.
2) Trash barrel at home not being able to hold more than 400 stones and average crafting timespan producing average 650-700 stones (sometimes). And having to drop stuff that you dont want to the floor so as not to be having to spend a lot more useless time waiting for the trashcan to delete your old items.
3) Roofs of the houses impossible to put in the right way and years later my house still has flat roof coz i havent been able to make an angled roof.
4) Antique, cursed, cannot repair items could be fixed to clean mode with a potion or deed that could be sold in the store if the item was good enough.
5) An improvement of Max weight coz its very often to hit max weight when carrying pots or crafting, or using a 50 stone weapon and having potions.

Pawain said:

Moral of the story. Yall are going to have to adapt like the legit clients users had to adapt to compete against the BOT trains.

And real PvPers had to against automation.

Maybe more PvPers will return if the playing field stays equal like it must be now, because the cheaters are the only ones complaining about this!

Dont let the door hit u in the arse!

I'm not surprised mate, your main is a Fisher - Thunter? Or are you (Fred) the only one 73 year old pvper that plays a dexxer? Anyhow you never jumped on a pvpmage, you don't know about complexity of it, even a parry mage thats the easiest you wouldnt be able to play, possibly, and yet tell me I'm the trammy? That's ironic bro, and that I'm not saying what the game should be I'm giving my input on this matter coz I earned the right to do so. If this bothers you, you can stop reading this post and participate in someone else's. Btw I have played this game more than you that is a fact even if you are retired any of my days doubles your participations but for average standards I'm sure you play a lot too don't you worry we value your contribution as well as a respected veteran player I'm sure you are.

Pawain said:

Maybe more PvPers will return if the playing field stays equal like it must be now, because the cheaters are the only ones complaining about this!

Dont let the door hit u in the arse!

The more you write the more you show how superficially your understanding of pvp is which confirms you play a dexxer and you have to do nothing but hit 2 buttons, 3 in the worst case scenario.

psycho said:

And UO assist need to go away / get a major improvement.

I dont think getting rid of it fixes the problem but a mayor update would help.

This is what I mean we are not talking about some crazy fans writing on a dedicated forum we are talking about regular customers, possibly younger ppl, that refused to play with the current version and I agree Web client is a great update, despite the bugs, but i dont think a few semi automated features would ruin the performanceif it was macroable but would simplify it coz Its not as enjoyable anymore to pvp (on a mage) with so many variables to take care of.

Regards,

Elite / Jack

Cookie · December 15

Jack_UO said:

We shouldnt remember when the game started there was a few potions, bandaids, bolas and food, its been a whle i might be missing something but you get my point, the experiece with all the new petals, pies, apples, bombs, surikens, all the new potions, conflag, nova, urali, shatter, mana draught, seed of life, all of the balms, targeting keys and macros, etc etc. makes the experiece much less friendly and therefore less enjoyable. For me, lost track of all this new features coz when i tried at first it was rather painful to try to keep all the green bufs up and the reds down.

Safe travels,

Elite / Jack

Good post. Respect.

I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).
Greater Cure + Greater Heal + Greater Refresh + Enchanted Apple + Purple Petal + Orange Petal + Greater Explosion + Conflagration + Supernova + Bolas + Shatter Potions + Mana Draught + Stat potion + Trapped Box + VvV mounts + Seed of Life.
I would even take more, if I felt I could handle more, like Pies.

Whereas back in the day, we only had 8ish, but most ran with 0, or 3.
(A mages reagents would make it 8 - but we prepacked them in pouches of 40 each, so when we died, we just grabbed the next one), then 100% LRC was introduced.

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.
@Kyronix

Jack_UO · December 15

Cookie said:

Jack_UO said:

We shouldnt remember when the game started there was a few potions, bandaids, bolas and food, its been a whle i might be missing something but you get my point, the experiece with all the new petals, pies, apples, bombs, surikens, all the new potions, conflag, nova, urali, shatter, mana draught, seed of life, all of the balms, targeting keys and macros, etc etc. makes the experiece much less friendly and therefore less enjoyable. For me, lost track of all this new features coz when i tried at first it was rather painful to try to keep all the green bufs up and the reds down.

Safe travels,

Elite / Jack

Good post. Respect.

I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).
Greater Cure + Greater Heal + Greater Refresh + Enchanted Apple + Purple Petal + Orange Petal + Greater Explosion + Conflagration + Supernova + Bolas + Shatter Potions + Mana Draught + Stat potion + Trapped Box + VvV mounts + Seed of Life.
I would even take more, if I felt I could handle more, like Pies.

Whereas back in the day, we only had 3.
(A mages reagents would make it 8 - but we prepacked them in pouches of 40 each, so when we died, we just grabbed the next one), then 100% LRC was introduced.

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.
@ Kyronix

Look that solution you just mention might as well work , its not even semi automation but it does go a bit beyond what we got now, and it would still simplify pvp and not have to stress to much looking for every specific item you want to use while a bok mage is trying to kill you in 4 htis (4-5 seconds). As long as with 1 key we can bandage self, apple, throw conflag (last target), also nova (last target), or explo, or use draught, use seed, use healing stone, trap box (generic), etc, i dont see trains comming back for that specific improvement. And it would make the experience much more friendly and intuitive.

Cookie · December 15

Jack_UO said:

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.
@ Kyronix

Look that solution you just mention might as well work , its not even semi automation but it does go a bit beyond what we got now, and it would still simplify pvp and not have to stress to much looking for every specific item you want to use while a bok mage is trying to kill you in 4 htis (4-5 seconds). As long as with 1 key we can bandage self, apple, throw conflag (last target), also nova (last target), or explo, or use draught, use seed, use healing stone, trap box (generic), etc, i dont see trains comming back for that specific improvement. And it would make the experience much more friendly and intuitive.

The thing is, we feel we have been asking this stuff for 15 years, and been ignored.
And anOther client has it.

Pawain · December 15

The developers are not ignoring your requests for automation, they do not want UO automated more than EC or CUO can do.

Elite Jack, you bragged about playing more than others, the person I brought up plays a lot, that's all I said.

Cookie has been wanting to play his mage on an even field, at least that's what he said in the past. I'm wondering now if he really does.

If this client can't be used by the end of the year, those of you that PvP should give a holler to those who left because of the cheating.

Cossack and his group may return if PvP is skill based.

Replace the cheaters with the legit players that this client drove away.

Cookie · December 15

Pawain said:

The developers are not ignoring your requests for automation, they do not want UO automated more than EC or CUO can do.

Elite Jack, you bragged about playing more than others, the person I brought up plays a lot, that's all I said.

Cookie has been wanting to play his mage on an even field, at least that's what he said in the past. I'm wondering now if he really does.

If this client can't be used by the end of the year, those of you that PvP should give a holler to those who left because of the cheating.

Cossack and his group may return if PvP is skill based.

Replace the cheaters with the legit players that this client drove away.

I was playing on a level playing field, because everyone else was using the same, or on Enhanced. We had fixed the problem ourselves. Now they have set us back 20 years.
Classic client is what is unplayable, I've been playing it for 2 days, and all the memories have come back. No-one is coming back, their issues were not the scripts, it was just a cover up for the fact they were not good enough. I woke up this morning and my tendons were wrecked from yesterdays play, I could still feel them being sore.
My team is actually here and ready, no-one else is around, we have everything to ourselves, but I hate it like this, I am not staying in this atmosphere. Felucca is empty, my guild is the only guild standing in Trammel Solen Hives. The spawn is fantastic - the drops are great as always, the lag from the client is dire, the client is unplayable. The experience is dire.
Posts like this from you, show massive lack of understanding of the game.

Victim_Of_Siege · December 15

Skett said:

@ loop

i treid using the ec makes me feel sick i dont like it

I Had the same issue but i was able to change the settings and then power through the remaining. It caused a headache for a few months but I'm a stubborn arse and wanted the features of the EC without resorting to the cheat clients. I can cope with the fugly graphics and actually prefer them now.

Skett said:

@ loop

ive never use any 3rd party client or add-ons other than uo assist years ago so not sure what your soccer reference is about.
I only use cc plain nothing else and it isnt nearly as good as ec when it comes to features and speed

would be nice if we could all have the same features in each client

if that bothers you im sorry

I'm with you. they need to find a way to put the EC GUI stuff in CC or CC graphics in EC CUO is close, but not enough fro me to swap over yet.

KroDuK · December 15

Cookie said:
I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.

Believe him, only one was automated.. wich explain why he needs a consumable bar and a cheat engine.

Like i was saying in the post u were telling me only mid tier PvP players uses automated action.. cuz it gets in your way..
The automated action cheater was legion around ~2008.. Killing the PvP even more after their factions changes (u would be dumb to not be faction member even if u were a trammel only user); when EA then Mythic started add more n more consumable.. on top of encouraging cheaters it would demoralise casual trammel players..

EX: my first 3 months when i came back in june was for gathering while crafting ~20k each potion, 10k each food, 2.5k bolas and more.. (like 10k petals)

And no, mage wouldn't put their reagent in a small bags.. they would do stack of ~20 and pile them on top of each others in their backpack.. cuz back then very few cheater were running around with auto loot.. that would get them banned!!

You forgot what even playing feel/looks like; 1 out of 16, so funny

Can we revoke this guy access to the forum, once and for all? After christmas he's done playing while still admitting to do automated bot action in game on official forum..
I thought he was a professional cheater.. but he's a professional liar and only an amateur cheater.. can't even make it work without his little automated wheels. Get out of here.

@JackFlashUk The speech about mages died around ~2008

Weirdly enough Cookie, agrees with you.. then his first sentence totally demolish what u just said. Saying he needs a consumable bar on his thrower cuz he has ~16 consumables wich only one was botted!! (bet)
My necro archer or paladin dexer had ~20 macro each when my mage had ~30.. These cheater do not want better macro.. they want automation.. or they would play on UOA.

PS: on those 16 consumable 50% only can be macroed on CC.
In this 50%; those like potions doesn't even worth it without UOA.. u gonna get pounded for more dmg than what u healed the time u unequip drink and re-equip. (when UOA it's almost instant)

All we need is better soft and hardcap. #balance.. not tools to get around the problem.. we need to fix it once and for all. Stop encouraging automated action in PvP.
Dumb example.. potion/consumable like in diablo.. 3-5.. make choices.. like we should make choice for BIS heresy instead of equipping them all.

Shatter potion shouldn't be a thing; all those potion could break themselves in your backpack after x time, when receiving dmg or just when moving.. I'd prefer the dmg once.. we could hide a backpack full of pot on a spawn region or on a thief mule for example.. to go grab it when we need to PvP and those consumable/potion wouldn't be a thing after the first few bouts.

We have a tons of solution for a sandbox.. keep those options up.. just limited those option/hardcap.. or the opposite softcap it and make some of them work automaticly (worse solution imo.. not everyone gonna waste 3 months crafting tons of PvP stock or stealing from mobs)

Even in early 2k.. the legit mage macro was not the norm to duel.. we need to address those consumables with soft and hardcap while doing something for the mage (not only the mage but he's the worse) macro for legit users..

PS: if everyone is legit.. I see no problem other than the actual players APM and muscle memory.. but I guess we past that point.. UO ain't e-sport with a lot of older community member..

Personally as a legit user since day 1.. my only problem with macro, (other than learning my character/game/how to play) mage PvP included.. was to streamline those macro on different characters; like on main account I was playing; a paladin, a necro archer, a mage, a sappire, a pure samurai, a mage tamer and a PvP thief.. u cannot use a cure pot on different keys type of stuff and to stop attacking people while chatting (replace the tab by caps lock; when i'm caps lock i cast stuff instead of typing letters)

Cookie · December 15

KroDuK said:

Cookie said:
I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.

Believe him, only one was automated.. wich explain why he needs a consumable bar and a cheat engine.

Like i was saying in the post u were telling me only mid tier PvP players uses automated action.. cuz it gets in your way..
The automated action cheater was legion around ~2008.. Killing the PvP even more after their factions changes (u would be dumb to not be faction member even if u were a trammel only user); when EA then Mythic started add more n more consumable.. on top of encouraging cheaters it would demoralise casual trammel players..

EX: my first 3 months when i came back in june was for gathering while crafting ~20k each potion, 10k each food, 2.5k bolas and more.. (like 10k petals)

And no, mage wouldn't put their reagent in a small bags.. they would do stack of ~20 and pile them on top of each others in their backpack.. cuz back then very few cheater were running around with auto loot.. that would get them banned!!

You forgot what even playing feel/looks like; 1 out of 16, so funny

Can we revoke this guy access to the forum, once and for all? After christmas he's done playing while still admitting to do automated bot action in game on official forum..
I thought he was a professional cheater.. but he's a professional liar and only an amateur cheater.. can't even make it work without his little automated wheels. Get out of here.

@ JackFlashUk The speech about mages died around ~2008

Weirdly enough Cookie, agrees with you.. then his first sentence totally demolish what u just said. Saying he needs a consumable bar on his thrower cuz he has ~16 consumables wich only one was botted!! (bet)
My necro archer or paladin dexer had ~20 macro each when my mage had ~30.. These cheater do not want better macro.. they want automation.. or they would play on UOA.

PS: on those 16 consumable 50% only can be macroed on CC.
In this 50%; those like potions doesn't even worth it without UOA.. u gonna get pounded for more dmg than what u healed the time u unequip drink and re-equip. (when UOA it's almost instant)

All we need is better soft and hardcap. #balance.. not tools to get around the problem.. we need to fix it once and for all. Stop encouraging automated action in PvP.
Dumb example.. potion/consumable like in diablo.. 3-5.. make choices.. like we should make choice for BIS heresy instead of equipping them all.

Shatter potion shouldn't be a thing; all those potion could break themselves in your backpack after x time, when receiving dmg or just when moving.. I'd prefer the dmg once.. we could hide a backpack full of pot on a spawn region or on a thief mule for example.. to go grab it when we need to PvP and those consumable/potion wouldn't be a thing after the first few bouts.

We have a tons of solution for a sandbox.. keep those options up.. just limited those option/hardcap.. or the opposite softcap it and make some of them work automaticly (worse solution imo.. not everyone gonna waste 3 months crafting tons of PvP stock or stealing from mobs)

Even in early 2k.. the legit mage macro was not the norm to duel.. we need to address those consumables with soft and hardcap while doing something for the mage (not only the mage but he's the worse) macro for legit users..

PS: if everyone is legit.. I see no problem other than the actual players APM and muscle memory.. but I guess we past that point.. UO ain't e-sport with a lot of older community member..

Personally as a legit user since day 1.. my only problem with macro, (other than learning my character/game/how to play) mage PvP included.. was to streamline those macro on different characters; like on main account I was playing; a paladin, a necro archer, a mage, a sappire, a pure samurai, a mage tamer and a PvP thief.. u cannot use a cure pot on different keys type of stuff and to stop attacking people while chatting (replace the tab by caps lock; when i'm caps lock i cast stuff instead of typing letters)

wtf... are you talking about... ?

KroDuK · December 15

You tell him.. good post.. on 16 consumables i was only automating script trap box.. totally agree with u the experience is much less friendly and enjoyable!!

If your problem was ONLY trap box.. I mean bra.. get out of here.. u want a consumable bar to make EASY macro.. that wouldn't required that level of knowledge to code automation like it used to.

Get out of here.. your solution is a solution for cheaters.. the problem would still remain.. even if u lied saying u were only botting one out of 16 actions.

Learn to PvP not how to script PvP... then your solution would be acceptable... till then, the dev need to understand you and the moderator need to sanction you for admitting to bot/automated script box.

You've seen my scrub PvP video.. on CC i was using GR. strength/dex, petal, trap box + bandaid.. the rest not worth or can't be use on CC legit without UOA..

You come here and tell us you were ONLY botting trap box on what shall not be named.. meanwhile I was rdy to use all the good stuff.. but wouldn't worth to install UOA vs those frame skipper with superman ability.
PS: all that was craft legit on CC.. no automation; other than craft all legit option.

IMHO.. most of those consumable shouldn't be usable on Felucca when most of them were design to be use on Felucca (for PvP) encouraging the automated action.. around ~2005-08.. knowing mythic added more with high sea.
But the problem with this idea is.. PvE is soo damn easy now a day.. most would become useless if they would do that.. the best would be to hardcap.. for us to make choices.. if i bring nova pot.. i lose something like refresh.. cuz i'm LIMITED (like a diablo belt).. u make offensive and defensive build to complete your team.. good for theorycrafting and teamplay.

Edit: or once again softcap it.. like those seed of life and potions.. give u the bot option.. at x% life u auto consume one... like u used to do even if u deny it. (worse option imo; u'd just load your backpack full of good stuff and it plays alone.. depressing for casual that needs to craft for HOURSSS to get PvP rdy cuz of tryhards.. or buy from bots)

KroDuK · December 15

Cookie said:

I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).

Imagine, running an illegal third party ONLY to script trapped box and macro the 15 other consumable and press the key urself..

Now asking for a consumable bar because of trapped box?? the same trapped box that can be macro on CC and activated at the single struck of a key when u being paralyse??

Am I eating crazy pills or he's lying and we should read:" I am managing 16 accounts in PvP - only 1 of wich was not entirely scripted."

Cookie · December 15

You are a crazy man.
They are building UO for crazy people.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

KroDuK · December 15

Edit: Actually, let me edit my signature.. your a problem from the past.. for now.

one last time for the road, let me quote you for the lulz:"So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?"

Go play Everquest bra.. u can't PvP without your little automated wheels nor PvE without your multibox.

Rhel · December 16

Cookie said:

Pawain said:

The developers are not ignoring your requests for automation, they do not want UO automated more than EC or CUO can do.

Elite Jack, you bragged about playing more than others, the person I brought up plays a lot, that's all I said.

Cookie has been wanting to play his mage on an even field, at least that's what he said in the past. I'm wondering now if he really does.

If this client can't be used by the end of the year, those of you that PvP should give a holler to those who left because of the cheating.

Cossack and his group may return if PvP is skill based.

Replace the cheaters with the legit players that this client drove away.

I was playing on a level playing field, because everyone else was using the same, or on Enhanced. We had fixed the problem ourselves. Now they have set us back 20 years.
Classic client is what is unplayable, I've been playing it for 2 days, and all the memories have come back. No-one is coming back, their issues were not the scripts, it was just a cover up for the fact they were not good enough. I woke up this morning and my tendons were wrecked from yesterdays play, I could still feel them being sore.
My team is actually here and ready, no-one else is around, we have everything to ourselves, but I hate it like this, I am not staying in this atmosphere. Felucca is empty, my guild is the only guild standing in Trammel Solen Hives. The spawn is fantastic - the drops are great as always, the lag from the client is dire, the client is unplayable. The experience is dire.
Posts like this from you, show massive lack of understanding of the game.

Why aren't you using the web client? It more or less provides all of the quality of life changes that people have been asking to be put into the CC.

Cookie · December 16

Rhel said:

Cookie said:

I was playing on a level playing field, because everyone else was using the same, or on Enhanced. We had fixed the problem ourselves. Now they have set us back 20 years.
Classic client is what is unplayable, I've been playing it for 2 days, and all the memories have come back. No-one is coming back, their issues were not the scripts, it was just a cover up for the fact they were not good enough. I woke up this morning and my tendons were wrecked from yesterdays play, I could still feel them being sore.
My team is actually here and ready, no-one else is around, we have everything to ourselves, but I hate it like this, I am not staying in this atmosphere. Felucca is empty, my guild is the only guild standing in Trammel Solen Hives. The spawn is fantastic - the drops are great as always, the lag from the client is dire, the client is unplayable. The experience is dire.
Posts like this from you, show massive lack of understanding of the game.

Why aren't you using the web client? It more or less provides all of the quality of life changes that people have been asking to be put into the CC.

If it were worth me responding properly, I would.
But you have zero reading comprehension - I have already explained in multiple posts what WebCUO needs, and you have ignored them, brushed over them, as always, just so you can keep going with the above line.
Honestly, I do not want to respond to the retards on these forums anymore.
I closed all my accounts last night, and that was a good feeling, I do not have to put up with this bullshit anymore.

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