A mid term solution for automation

PaladinBob

Cookie said:

Jack_UO said:

We shouldnt remember when the game started there was a few potions, bandaids, bolas and food, its been a whle i might be missing something but you get my point, the experiece with all the new petals, pies, apples, bombs, surikens, all the new potions, conflag, nova, urali, shatter, mana draught, seed of life, all of the balms, targeting keys and macros, etc etc. makes the experiece much less friendly and therefore less enjoyable. For me, lost track of all this new features coz when i tried at first  it was rather painful to try to keep all the green bufs up and the reds down. 

Safe travels,

Elite / Jack

Good post. Respect.

I am managing 16 consumables in pvp - only 1 of which is scripted. (Trapped Box).
Greater Cure + Greater Heal + Greater Refresh + Enchanted Apple + Purple Petal + Orange Petal + Greater Explosion + Conflagration + Supernova + Bolas + Shatter Potions + Mana Draught  + Stat potion + Trapped Box + VvV mounts + Seed of Life.
I would even take more, if I felt I could handle more, like Pies.

Whereas back in the day, we only had 8ish, but most ran with 0, or 3.
(A mages reagents would make it 8 - but we prepacked them in pouches of 40 each, so when we died, we just grabbed the next one), then 100% LRC was introduced.

A Consumables Bar in Classic would be nice.
@ Kyronix

pretty sure if you want to use something you are supposed to have to click it or a hot key? The fact that you have to do so much work to maintain maximum pvp is what you are supposed to do is it not? Someone does something to you, you are supposed to react? Not have that reaction done for you. Even something as simple as the "scripted" pvp box, someone fighting you doesnt know its automated so they waste time and button presses to paralyze you, therefore giving you the advantage. You are supposed to pick and choose what you need to do for a given situation not have it automated to always be at max buff because you hit play on something.

Cookie

PaladinBob said:

pretty sure if you want to use something you are supposed to have to click it or a hot key? The fact that you have to do so much work to maintain maximum pvp is what you are supposed to do is it not? Someone does something to you, you are supposed to react? Not have that reaction done for you. Even something as simple as the "scripted" pvp box, someone fighting you doesnt know its automated so they waste time and button presses to paralyze you, therefore giving you the advantage. You are supposed to pick and choose what you need to do for a given situation not have it automated to always be at max buff because you hit play on something.

As I have explained. Everything was equal, because everyone was using the same, or equal client, everyone knew how it worked. There was an equal opportunity for everyone, the players had to find and make these fixes themselves to give themselves a level playing field - because it did not exist between Classic and Enhanced.
These scenarios of brand new players coming up, and not having a clue what was going on, did not happen.
If they were serious, they were drafted into a pvp guild, who showed them the ropes.
If they were solo players, who would never have a hope, and could not fit into a team because they were such mentally disturbed individuals, and just wanted to complain about everything, they'd come to these forums - but they are not serious players, they have no intention of staying, or pvping properly. They are just destroying the game.

"The fact that you have to do so much work to maintain maximum pvp is what you are supposed to do is it not?"
There is a limit to what a player can handle?
You forget the actual part of pvping.
That is 16 consumables, on top of XX spells and abilities, on top of moving, strategic thinking, and teamplay.
I personally, was easily using 80 Hotkeys.
By this stage - some actions actually HAVE to be sub-routined out.
It is only logical, this is what humans do in real life.
We don't stick ourselves back in the 1920's.

Rhel

Cookie said:

Rhel said:

Cookie said:

I was playing on a level playing field, because everyone else was using the same, or on Enhanced. We had fixed the problem ourselves. Now they have set us back 20 years.
Classic client is what is unplayable, I've been playing it for 2 days, and all the memories have come back. No-one is coming back, their issues were not the scripts, it was just a cover up for the fact they were not good enough. I woke up this morning and my tendons were wrecked from yesterdays play, I could still feel them being sore.
My team is actually here and ready, no-one else is around, we have everything to ourselves, but I hate it like this, I am not staying in this atmosphere. Felucca is empty, my guild is the only guild standing in Trammel Solen Hives. The spawn is fantastic - the drops are great as always, the lag from the client is dire, the client is unplayable. The experience is dire.
Posts like this from you, show massive lack of understanding of the game.

Why aren't you using the web client? It more or less provides all of the quality of life changes that people have been asking to be put into the CC. 

If it were worth me responding properly, I would.
But you have zero reading comprehension - I have already explained in multiple posts what WebCUO needs, and you have ignored them, brushed over them, as always, just so you can keep going with the above line.
Honestly, I do not want to respond to the retards on these forums anymore.
I closed all my accounts last night, and that was a good feeling, I do not have to put up with this bullshit anymore.

I only asked a simple question, which from my recollection has actually never been clearly answered by you or King. 

No need to get toxic. If you're not happy with the game, by all means leave but don't stay around the forums and be toxic, condescending and rude to others when they ask simple questions. 

Surely it would have taken you half the time to copy a link to a previous reply you'd made regarding why you don't use the WebCUO client vs the toxic and condescending reply you made.

Cookie

Rhel said:

I only asked a simple question, which from my recollection has actually never been clearly answered by you or King. 

No need to get toxic. If you're not happy with the game, by all means leave but don't stay around the forums and be toxic, condescending and rude to others when they ask simple questions. 

Surely it would have taken you half the time to copy a link to a previous reply you'd made regarding why you don't use the WebCUO client vs the toxic and condescending reply you made.

It has not been clearly answered, because you have a fixed biased viewpoint and cannot see it.
You can only see in one direction, and anything that differs to your fixed opinion, you can't see it.
Your ignorance is toxic, as is your fixed viewpoint, I am only responding in kind, you may be able to tell, I am tired of it, I can only handle so many stupid people.

I have read all your posts, and your responses, I know what you are like, a bit like Loop, you feign interest and congeniality when you have nothing of the sort in mind - you are purely fixed no matter what. Loop is interesting - only interested in Enhanced Client, and what he can gain on that - and no way was I going to tell him. But that is the point, Enhanced Client users, thinking everything is ok, non-pvpers thinking everything is ok, cannot see anything else.
Therefore, there is just no point, I may as well call a spade, a spade in your case.
I'll admit, you are not all out insane like 3 others on these forums, you are in a lower category.

One previous response, directly to yourself;

You even responded, and just brushed it aside.
And here you are asking again.

The amount of times I have to use the words, "Again", "I repeat myself". etc.
Because none of you are sincerely listening or able to take it on board.

Pawain

*waves Bye Bye to Cookie*

Fenriswolf

just allow it all in Felucca...easy solution
Only run the main events in Trammel so it doesnt affect everyone, run Pvp events in Felucca

People that want to pvp or use other clients can, and it doesnt affect anyone as everyone can do it as well

The main issue with all of this is when it affects gameplay for everyone or gives someone an advantage over everyone else

KroDuK

Fenriswolf said:

People that want to pvp or use other clients can, and it doesnt affect anyone as everyone can do it as well

The main issue with all of this is when it affects gameplay for everyone or gives someone an advantage over everyone else

This is the thing.. a lot of those people didn't even wanted to use it.. they were force to use it to enjoy PvP.. then a lot of those realised this was not fun to cheat and have the game play for yourself and quit the game.


Just take you for example, in another post u were saying you back on the casual level, still hvn't finish to set up your macro.

This is not true all PvPers were using this clients, it's true tho all serious "PvPers" were FORCED to use it cuz of the studio inaction against those cheaters with superman abilities.. like to frame skip (could be consider a speed hack)


You wanted the possibility to do champ spawn.. Today u have the possibility to defend your ground vs REAL PvPers (way easier to kill without their bot action).. cuz they lost their superman ability/monopole on some content.

It's just them being mad they cannot easily do bot action anymore..
Keep in mind, a lot of PvPers hates PvEing.. now they have to PvE instead of just botting their champ spawn or events, while PvPing with superman ability to protect their bots at work.. this is what makes them mad.
They are not real PvPers they are BvBotters..

KroDuK

Someone suggested an official shard to ship all those cheaters.. an Official "free clients shard"

I mean why not.. not sure how it would work on the back end/dev side.. but if it's possible.. why not.. Just transfer all their shard bound items and infinite account on that fresh start shard, if they want; give them a specific shedule to open housing, let them cheat as they want on this shard "wild west" style.

Let's see how things goes.. Should be a real funny shit show but If what Cookie is saying is true.. this shard should be more crowded than ATL.. just with very little real human.

Just make sure to label this shard as a "ban world/wild west" shard.
It seems like a good compromise.

Edit: i don't need to state the obvious stuff like no transfer shield on this shard.. and the name should be something like Pit of Hell/ Ban world/ Wild West. 


Adapt to the legit players or go play in the cesspool.. seems to be a good solution for everyone.

PS: the idea is similar to Fenris, but just better imo.

Edit2: I'm saying cheaters, we should replace this word by superior being.. this is offensive in 2024.

Pawain

Ill be working on a Chat Bot that knows all the mommy jokes and taunts, sell it to them, so it seems like players are there. NiCe DiE NoOb!

Minion552

Back in the day we didn't have scripts in pvp we had some things hot keyed like pots and bandaids. Pvp back then was 100% skill based before Aos sure we had some meta builds

Like the mage killer lumber/macer and the Pkatana build and the archer/dexer and one of my favorite the poison fencer build.

Some builds just didn't match well with others and we lived with that. Once Aos came out and the game gear based all it became was Champ spawn patrol find someone doing on kill them wash rinse repeat.

What this game needs is pvp content like what we had on a private shard.

6 forts in fel each hour one was active had to get to the flag and raise your banner there was a chest it was locked it would fill up with goodies power scrolls, pinks, resources in commodity deed form gold checks and pvp based gear.

Everyone would fight at the fort to raise thier banner and be the one once the hour was up to get the fort key to open the chest. Man it was crazy seeing 50+ people fighting it out.

We added to it on high seas a mother ship would spawn everyone would get into ships head out and have to attack each other's boats once your boat was disabled you could board and fight. The goal was to bring the mother ship down board it and get the gold chest in its cargo hold and bring it to your boat and get to the port safely with the chest all the while everyone gunning for you. Disable your ship could board and steal the chest.

That's pvp content that's fun that's skill based that's not ganking a trammy 30 on 1 at a champ spawn and acting like it was some great thing we just did.. That's not pvp to me at all so I quit pvp a very long time ago. This game needs some fun pvp driven content. 

KroDuK

All those idea could be good @Minion552 first we need to make sure Trammel user feel free to come enjoy Felucca since they can win now..

Then some PR move to let know the mmorpg world UO is cleaner.. if legiter PvP can shine once more.. we can do all that stuff, since it won't be aim at the 5% superior being only.


Back then every single Trammel user would come from time to time to enjoy a good champ spawn.. today everyone seems to despice Felucca and for GOOD reasons.. wich were mainly address by BS recently.. give it the time and see how thing goes.

Fenriswolf

KroDuK said:

Someone suggested an official shard to ship all those cheaters.. an Official "free clients shard"

Edit: i don't need to state the obvious stuff like no transfer shield on this shard.. and the name should be something like Pit of Hell/ Ban world/ Wild West. 


Adapt to the legit players or go play in the cesspool.. seems to be a good solution for everyone.

PS: the idea is similar to Fenris, but just better imo.

Edit2: I'm saying cheaters, we should replace this word by superior being.. this is offensive in 2024.

yea something like this if they want to use other clients. I dont really care, if Pvp needs a revamp, if they need it just in Felucca, new server whatever it just cant affect/have a detrimental affect on everyone by doing it, which is why it was banned

And if you want Felucca to become more popular with "trammies" as you call us (which in itself is kindof part of the problem that you need to label people like that just because they dont like doing what you do.....) , then you need to do something about it. I currently have zero interest in doing anything there, but i dont think that will ever change regardless of what happens. I just have zero interest in fighting other players, thats just not why i play the game. But i can also accept that people do want to do this, so there should be content for them to do this if you "felbots" (see what i did there...) want to do that

Everyone needs to stop with the derogatory baiting that people who dont go to Felucca are somehow inferior or "chicken" etc etc which is what this implies. It isnt that, we just dont care about Pvp at all..

The whole original point of UO was that you could be whatever you wanted to be. There are roleplayers, crafters, miners, treasure hunters, tamers, mages, fighters, archers, fisherman, people who just like decorating houses....everyone needs to be accepted as a viable option within the game, but this is just turning into people who like to pvp vs those that dont...which isnt the point

But this also kindof hints at pvp being the problem that needs addressing

Mariah

This is just a fyi for those who haven't kept up with past developments in CC.

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/technical/creating-macros/available-macro-actions/

Please especially note:

RecordDress saves all items the player has currently equipped except items in the left and right hand. Players can save up to four different suits of equipment.

Dress equips all items stored within the corresponding Record Dress macro. For example, Dress -> Dress1 equips items saved in Record Dress -> Record Dress1. Swaps out equipment in-use with the equipment specified.

Undress removes all items currently equipped and places those items within the players backpack.

RecordArm saves items currently equipped in the left and right hands. Players can save up to four different sets.

Disarm removes items in the left and right hand and places them within the players backpack.

Arm equips all items stored within the corresponding Record Arm macro. For example, Arm -> Arm1 equips items saved in Record Arm -> Record Arm1. Item slots which are already occupied will have their gear replaced.

UseObject Select a consumable or object from the list to use:Heal PotionCure PotionRefresh PotionStrength PotionAgility PotionExplosion PotionConflagration Potion Enchanted ApplePetalsOfTrinsicOrangePetalsTrappedBoxSmokeBombHealStoneSpellTrigger

Venom

The addition (don't know how long ago -- maybe years) of blocking dismount in combat in the classic client was great. 

As another poster said, I do think peaking at what the private shards do that is popular is a good idea. I can't imagine the dev team is large and they have a ton of very different things to handle: cheating, multiple clients, new content, bugs, game balance, different play styles, and some toxic players. 

Lets not pretend that there are not some players whose playstyle revolves around trying to infuriate other players. Additionally, having players, like Cookie, rationalize cheating because they falsely report everyone was doing it or that people who pvp consented because they know how common cheating is does not match reality. The use agreement explicitly bars cheating and the applications he mentioned. I certainly wasn't running any scripts when I tried to do a Fel Champ. 

Also, this forum represents a tiny fraction of the players judging by the amount of houses versus unique active poster names here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but for players and metrics for paid accounts, it seems the best guesstimate is to run around shards and check the housing situation. If this blocking the illegal client(s) is a massive issue leading to an exodus, we should see a wave of IDOCs coming. 

KroDuK

Fenriswolf said:

And if you want Felucca to become more popular with "trammies" as you call us (which in itself is kindof part of the problem that you need to label people like that just because they dont like doing what you do.....) , then you need to do something about it. I currently have zero interest in doing anything there, but i dont think that will ever change regardless of what happens. I just have zero interest in fighting other players, thats just not why i play the game. But i can also accept that people do want to do this, so there should be content for them to do this if you "felbots" (see what i did there...) want to do that

To me it sounds like a you problem.. Already had this discussion on PoE with a softcore player.

Quote when I talk about trammies.. was I disrespectful or did u felt less, with no rationell, cuz I use the word trammies?

Fenriswolf

KroDuK said:

Fenriswolf said:

And if you want Felucca to become more popular with "trammies" as you call us (which in itself is kindof part of the problem that you need to label people like that just because they dont like doing what you do.....) , then you need to do something about it. I currently have zero interest in doing anything there, but i dont think that will ever change regardless of what happens. I just have zero interest in fighting other players, thats just not why i play the game. But i can also accept that people do want to do this, so there should be content for them to do this if you "felbots" (see what i did there...) want to do that

To me it sounds like a you problem.. Already had this discussion on PoE with a softcore player.

Quote when I talk about trammies.. was I disrespectful or did u felt less, with no rationell, cuz I use the word trammies?

apologies shouldnt have quoted you when i said that bit, was referring to someone else who i think is now banned

KroDuK

I mean don't waste your time with this dude.. he's clearly not all here. Full of himself but nothing to show off without his third client.

PS: fun fact.. the other person from PoE was telling me.. u are a hardcore player.. i'm a player.. there is not such thing as softcore player... I was like uh... sure!