Pet only powerscrolls
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Ah, OK.....
Then all of the duping, hacking, scripting, Third Partying etc. etc. that I have heard being discussed "ad nauseam" over the time that have played UO must have been from an alternate reality....
The point is that there should be parts of UO that work for every kind of player, not that ALL of UO should work for one kind of player. As long as you are willing to destroy what is unique for one set of UO players to suit your own desires, there is likely no getting through to you.
But this thread is about Pet Powerscrolls being an alternative
way to let Trammel Players be able get their own.
Would a middle ground work? Say they do make pet specific scrolls, would it
be reasonable to ask for only 105's and 110's drop in Trammel Champs?
So now the pvp's get all the player type powerscrolls (except the rare Fel map low ones)
and they get all the pet type powerscrolls of 115 and 120!
It will still take a long time to reach the 120's via binding, but least we have a chance in it
doing the game play style we enjoy.
i still disagree with pet only powerscrolls imo grace. use a different source of power if its that much of an issue. use imbuing regs or something instead of powerscrolls then. tho my opinion is if you change it, it is a bad move.
i think that tram spawns at one time had powerscroll drops if i remember correct. the ones in ilshnar. i think they took them out because it was completely exploited.
i hear a lot about " so we can attain these in a way we enjoy" this is still just opinion of 1 group over another. i would like to have all content be pvp contested.... you dont see me advocating for this tho because i can understand not everyones into it. its not only pvmers that can have an opinion on things i just wish people would step back and take a look at the bigger picture not the bubble they seem to be in.
iv said it before you need pvp and pvm for the game to be a success. the powerscrolls being in demand is what brings pvmers out to try their luck. which gives pvpers something to do. its the circle of uo life. its been that way since beta. (not powerscrolls since beta. back in the day it was just simply gold. but the point is there)
if you cant hang in fel, get a group of friends to go with you. and make a plan. dont all go as pvmers. go knowing that you might get in a fight. try to defend a spawn, play the game. you might actually end up enjoying yourself.
i do spawns solo all the time and i always have a pvp chara ready to roll when my samp or tamer goes down. if i win good. if not. oh well i knew the chance was there. i help stuck and leave or walk out. i dont just fresh res and go back to it, that is silly. if your still in the area you are still in the fight. if you want to be out of the fight.... just dont res. swallow your pride and walk away. come back tomorrow and try again
Merus I'm trying to discuss ways the game can be improved for everyone. Do you have suggestions other than 'the status quo which works great for a certain few people at the expense of others?'
either you didnt understand the point or i failed to make it. either way hope u get the comparrison now
Oh I am trust me, lol, I have been for a long time.
But guys, good posts!
Putting 90% of the games rewards systems into a risk free, exploitable, ungoverned environment was certainly not consensual to me...
Sure, it is a game, so what ?
If there are things that one thinks are working wrong to their opinion, I think that nonetheless they are in all rights to voice up for changing that status quo to something better for that game....
At least, that is how I see it.
And Grace - due to having far less players then previously, or far less newer players, the powerscroll market had almost died prior to the Pet expansion. Having Pet Powerscrolls would be a direct take-away from the Scroll Market, and quite a huge one probably. I don't think there is much middle ground to be had. That is probably why the Felucca T Map solution is so tough.
Quite honestly, the Statscroll Market - ie the Harrower, the pinnacle of Felucca play, is pretty much dead. Like Primers, the Market is full, and complete. A statscroll is worth 6m, you can't sell them. They may have gone up to 10m recently, because no-one does them anymore, no-one even has a team left that can do them in the face of an entire server, we used to, we used to be peerless and untouchable, we can't pull it off anymore, very few can.
Powerscrolls would not be far off.
If you actually did this, I believe half of the games players would quit the game, as they would have no challenge or nothing useful or fun to play for.
For the life of me I can't make sense of that thinking other than just flat out greed and disregard for players who enjoy a different playstyle than yourself.
And you also have every other drop the game has to offer. You can play Trammel characters unrestricted. As a lot of us have been trying to explain: there isn't a viable Felucca character solution for everyone.
Please make the Grizzled Mare a 5 slot mount, it's incredibly rare and deserves it. Some of us have been waiting a long time for this simple addition.
Every player in UO has exactly the same opportunity to do tram content, your exactly right... every player has exactly the same opportunity to make a fisher, or a treasure hunter, or a BoD filler, or a PvPer. Some like fishing. Some like BoDs. Some like PvP. Its OK for people to not like everything UO has to offer.... that doesn't mean that Fel is closed to you.
The simple fact is there is not a single argument you have made about Fel, that can't be applied exactly the same way to Tram. Some people don't like PvP... we ALL get it. THAT is not justification for removing the PvP content and rewards ANYMORE, than I can justify removing BoDs because they "don't work for me".
No one forces Fel on anyone anymore than I am forced to do the roof. If I want a cameo, I have a choice... do the roof or buy it. If you want a powerscroll, you have the same choice... do the content or buy it. Fel doesn't need a solution for everyone... nothing in UO needs a solution for everyone... its a sandbox MMO.
Make no mistake, I think non-consensual pvp is a terrible gameplay mechanic that they've been rightfully chipping away at since the beginning. But, and again this is critical, changing the game does not have to be viewed in a zero-sum frame as you seem to want to focus on. Improving the game for some doesn't ruin it for others. There are plenty of other ways to PVP with each other that does not lock end-game content away.
As it happens there is a great consensual PVP mechanic with unique rewards. If there were less reasons for people to go to Felucca and deal with a champion spawn I'm sure you all could still find something to do.
If there is players who enjoy engaging in PvP, the way I see it is that they do not need an excuse to engage in a fight !!
Someone wants to PvP ? Go do it wherever it is allowed !!
Why there has to be a "bait" to attract other players to where PvP is consented so that they then become the targets of other players ?
I find the use of items to get players to then become targets of other players and be forced to have to engage in a gameplay style which they do not like nor enjoy, quite disapprovable of.
The satisfaction of PvP should be winning a fight over a fellow player one has engaged with, not over any given item.
Those who want to PvP could fight one another as much as they wanted, the point here is that this should not cut players who do not want to PvP, whatever their reasons, out of items or contents which they need, like Powerscrolls are.
That's how I see it.
People do Roof or BODs or other PvM content for the items.
PvP, instead, is over who wins the fight, who is a better fighter. That is why often players go to the Arena and fight one another....
So, while Roof, BODs or any other game content would have no reason to exist if it did not give items, PvP without any item to fight over for, could very well still exist because its reason to exist is not items, but winning a fight over another player....
Player versus Player..... that is how it is called....
And Player versus Player it would remain IN FULL, even if there were no items to fight over for, because the reason for this particular gameplay style is to fight other players and show that one can win fello players in a fight.
It is only a sad thing, to my opinion, that items might be used to "bait" other players who need those items, to have to subject themselves to a gameplay style which they do not like, not enjoy and not want to play, because they have no realistic and reasonable alternative to it to get those items and this, because these players need to become targets for other players to shoot at ?
Excuse me ?
Both for characters AND pets.
Without raising up skills neither characters nor pets can do much, especially with Monsters always beefed up to "keep up" with items being released in the game always more powerfull (itemization of a game where items gets stronger and stronger and stronger as time goes by).
So, while one could very well do without a Demon Cameo (and many do play without one), it is not the same when it comes to Powerscrolls, I am afraid.
And that is the big problem lamented by many.... to have such "must have" items involve imposing PvP onto players even they do not want, like or enjoy it, is what causes so much issues.
AND, mind you, another detail that is quite important, while with a Demon Cameo after getting 1 a player is done and can get on with his/her UO life, with Powerscrolls 1 is not enough as they are needed for several skills, and then for pets, and then for multiple pets which a Tamer might have...
I am sorry, but it ain't possible, to my viewing, to compare other items in UO with Powerscrolls.
I'd suggest they remove all rewards from Shadowguard, Doom, Exodus, Treasure Maps, Monsters, Abyss, Shadowlords, etc, so we can see through the lie that you are all PvMing and using your Pets just for the sheer bliss and fun of it.
Because of course that's what you are all projecting you do.
In my opinion, you are doing it for the rewards, to help character progression etc, help build your accounts and playstyles to achieve different challenges, to gain extra rewards, to achieve other challenges.
The thing is, your challenges are easy by a PvPers standards, we need something harder. We don't need pre-programmed AI that a repetitive script can be built to beat, we need the best Human AI out there to compete against (yes of course there are cheats on both sides of the coin, can we see through these for a second). But like the rest of you, we like there to be a point, an objective, rewards for winning are certainly part of mans inbuilt psyche.
I've never ever said I go out to PvP just because, I've always said PvP is like a competitive sport, we go out to win something, you always try and put those words into our mouths, "oh we would PvP for the sheer bliss and fun of it - surely you are to". Let me see you doing that in PvM, and maybe I'll reconsider that it is a possible human characteristic. PvP is a competitive playstyle that we prepare harder for, than PvM. It is the next level of gameplay up, and you all seek to neuter it all the time because you cannot cope.
And absolute rubbish. PvP guilds do spawns properly and most successfully.
PvMers usually do it poorly, usually solo, usually get raided and lose everything, then come running to the forums because they are not doing it properly and cannot cope. Or give up. Oh look, that's what you guys are doing!
Talk me through the Justice Virtue a second? What does it do, what is the point of it? Ahh that's right, it's so a PvMer can get a second stealth account and get more scrolls. Lol.
There are only a handful of PvMers that use their brains and navigate Felucca well enough to get spawns done regularly and successfully.