Update list of Items with Stealing skill on ?

poppspopps Posts: 4,290
edited October 21 in General Discussions

I am trying to make a template for the Hidden Chests with the new Event but, with the various skills necessary I am tight with skill points so, I need to keep the stealing skill at the lowest so as, in those rare cases when a rare stealable will spawn, I will swap to a stealing suit so as to steal the item.

Therefore, I need to keep the stealing points the lowest possible and use as much items with stealing skill points on as possible.

But I am having a hard time to find an updated list of all the wearable items that I can possibly use so to limit as much as possible the amount of skill points to have to train up. Goal is to have 120 Stealing.

I also have a question about Stealthing... as long as I have 100.0 Hiding, if I cannot have 120.0 Stealth but less (how much less depends on how much Stealing I got to have trained), even below 100.0, the result will be that I will be able to walk less in between skill checks but, with 100.0 Hiding, the more numerous skill checks "should" be succesful ? Sure, I am taking into account that I will be revealed, but I am just trying to figure out whether having less then 120.0 Stealth will result in a nightmare dungeon stealthing becoming visible left and right or whether, with Stealth even below 100.0 (but having Hiding at 100.0) I can still have a decent hiding/stealthing walking.

Ideally I would love to have 50.0 Ninjitsu to use smoke bombs but, I do not think I can fit it with the template... not if I want to try to have as much Luck items as possible... I wished there were Luck items with Ninjitsu skill points on...

Thanks for the kind help !!
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  • poppspopps Posts: 4,290
    edited October 21
    Mariah said:

    Thank you.

    The Talisman of the Fey says "requires Ninjitsu -40".

    Does this mean that, if one does not have 40 Ninjitsu they cannot wear it for the +10 Stealing or, is that 40 Ninjitsu specified for the Ferret form but the +10 Stealing is always given even if one does not have 40 Ninjitsu ?

    As in regards the other 4 items, I understand that the Stealing points they have are 

    +20 Shadeweaver's embrace
    +10 Mark of Travesty
    +10 Burglar's Bandana
    +20 Shadow Dancer's Leggings

    That comes up a total of 60 Stealing points. Is that it ? There is no other item (aside from jewellery) that can have Stealing skill points on ?

    Do you have an answer for my question about Stealthing with 100.0 Hiding but lower Stealthing (likely below 100.0) ?

    Thank you for the help !
  • UrgeUrge Posts: 1,369
    From a thief of over 20 years, you're overthinking whatever kind of temp you're contemplating. 

    Mark of trav is over 20mil while a burglar bandana is under 5. Assuming you're trying to make a hpr suit i don't think the 3hpr is worth the extra gold.

    I've never had more than 100 stealth WITH items except for a pvp deathstrike ninja. 
    -shadowdancer +20
    -Shadeweaver +20
    -bandana +10
    -Cloak of silence +10
    = you only need 40 real stealth to have 100

    Skip the luck and go with your temp. 


  • UrgeUrge Posts: 1,369
    To answer your other question, you have to animal form into the ferret for the +10 stealing so yes you'll need ninja. 
  • poppspopps Posts: 4,290
    edited October 21
    Urge said:
    To answer your other question, you have to animal form into the ferret for the +10 stealing so yes you'll need ninja. 

    Need 40 ninja just to turn into a Ferret or to actually be able to wear the Talisman in the first place even if I do not want to turn into a Ferret ?

    All that I am interested is the +10 points of Stealing from the Talisman... do not care about turning into a Ferret
  • UrgeUrge Posts: 1,369
    You only get 10 stealing once you form into a ferret. Has nothing to do with just wearing. 
  • poppspopps Posts: 4,290
    edited October 21
    Mariah said:

    not sure why I got it wrong but, when I double clicked an Heritage Token I got this screen



    Which mentions the +10 Stealing skill yet, when I then claimed it, I got this


    Which does not mention the +10 Stealing.

    What gives ?

    By the way, I do have Mondain's Legacy.

    Upon reading here https://www.uoguide.com/Ninjitsu I read this
    Ferret / 40 / Transforms you into a Ferret and gives +10 to Stealing skill.
    As I understand it, a talisman would not be needed at all, just using the Ninjitsu skill to turn into a Ferret (if one has 40 Ninjitsu) should give the +10 stealing skill with the form...

    Or am I reading it all wrong and I actually need to equip the Talisman in order to get the additional +10 Stealing skill points (assumed that I can get 40 Ninjitsu skill points on the "stealing 2nd suit " ?).

    Additionally, can a Ferret Hide and Stealth ?

    My idea is, when I find a stealable in a hidden chest, to swap suits, take off the Luck suit and get on the one with stealing +skill items, turning also into a ferret (for the additional +10 stealing skill points to reach 120.0 stealing), steal the stealable which would reveal me, use a smoke bomb and hide and stealth away. Should I fail the steal, I would still use a smoke bomb to hide and then try again.

    Question is, would this be possible in a Ferret form ?
  • UrgeUrge Posts: 1,369
    edited October 21
    Ok maybe I'm not making sense or you're just not listening idk.


     Equipping the talisman does nothing but unlock ferret form in the animal form menu when it's only equipped. You then need to animal form into the ferret to get the +10 stealing. 

    Yes you can hide/stealth and steal in ferret form. 

    You can also use a cu talisman and heal yourself with zero healing while hidden. 
  • PawainPawain Posts: 11,456
    He wants things to work the way he wants them to, it makes no difference in what game mechanics are to him.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,314
    edited October 21
    85 stealth for most of the PvE content on a thief, I could loop shadow jump.. You just need to avoid a few select mobs (do not stand to close)

    You could use the shadow master's talisman + solaria's earring. (if you hvn't miss the heretic botvent train)

    Assuming you are GM stealth, with these 2 items you could be 85 stealth 45 ninjitsu. All you need is 5 more point for smoke bomb.

    Edit: re-reading the OP. 120 stealth for PvE content is only QoL (for noobs). with 85 stealth in leather you can stealth at 100%.. certain mobs will just reveal you easier, just stay away.. lower stealth keeps your reflex sharp and u can do a stronger PvE template.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

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  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,604Moderator
    Sorry for the late reply, I was stealthing around the dungeon finding boxes

    Casting animal form with ninjitsu gives you
    • Rabbit or Rat
    • Cat or Dog
    • Giant Serpent
    • Bullfrog
    • Ostard or Llama
    • Wolf or Bake-Kitsune
    • Unicorn
    • Ki-Rin
    Equipping a talisman of the Fey (Ferret Form) adds 'Ferret' to the choices. Each of those forms has some kind of bonus, the bonus from ferret form being a stealing boost. Clear now?

  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,314
    @Mariah How much stealth on that template of urs?  :*
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,604Moderator
    Real skill
    Detect hidden 100/100
    Hiding 100/100
    Lockpicking 100/100
    Magery 100/120 (can equip Drogeni's spellbook to reach 120)
    Remove Trap 96.6 (trained for this event. stoned GM snooping)
    Stealing 120/120
    Stealth 100/120 (add 10 for Blackthorn plain dress) 
  • poppspopps Posts: 4,290
    KroDuK said:
    85 stealth for most of the PvE content on a thief, I could loop shadow jump.. You just need to avoid a few select mobs (do not stand to close)

    You could use the shadow master's talisman + solaria's earring. (if you hvn't miss the heretic botvent train)

    Assuming you are GM stealth, with these 2 items you could be 85 stealth 45 ninjitsu. All you need is 5 more point for smoke bomb.

    Edit: re-reading the OP. 120 stealth for PvE content is only QoL (for noobs). with 85 stealth in leather you can stealth at 100%.. certain mobs will just reveal you easier, just stay away.. lower stealth keeps your reflex sharp and u can do a stronger PvE template.

    You could use the shadow master's talisman + solaria's earring. (if you hvn't miss the heretic botvent train)

    Assuming you are GM stealth, with these 2 items you could be 85 stealth 45 ninjitsu. All you need is 5 more point for smoke bomb.

    To my understanding, those 2 items (shadow master's talisman + solaria's earring) add each +10 Ninjitsu for a total of 20 Ninjitsu.

    I don't understand when you mention them adding up to +45 Ninjitsu... can you please explain it a bit more ?

    Also, my 1st Priority is gathering items with Stealing skill points as I need to reach 120.0 stealing but am short of skill points with a "skills tight" template so I need to use that Ferret Talisman that brings the +10 Stealing for the stealing suit to swap with the Luck suit.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,314
    edited October 21
    Mariah said:
    Real skill
    Detect hidden 100/100
    Hiding 100/100
    Lockpicking 100/100
    Magery 100/120 (can equip Drogeni's spellbook to reach 120)
    Remove Trap 96.6 (trained for this event. stoned GM snooping)
    Stealing 120/120
    Stealth 100/120 (add 10 for Blackthorn plain dress) 
    Not bad, Stealing do not depend on items.. I was expecting an elf imber build. gg ^^
    Personally I love me some ninjitsu on a PvE thief, for QoL and enjoyment.


    popps said:
    Also, my 1st Priority is gathering items with Stealing skill points as I need to reach 120.0 stealing but am short of skill points with a "skills tight" template so I need to use that Ferret Talisman that brings the +10 Stealing for the stealing suit to swap with the Luck suit.
    That tunnel vision of urs.. I won't even take the time to explain why focusing ONLY on getting more STEALING from items is dumb here.. Just think about it.


    popps said:
    To my understanding, those 2 items (shadow master's talisman + solaria's earring) add each +10 Ninjitsu for a total of 20 Ninjitsu.

    I don't understand when you mention them adding up to +45 Ninjitsu... can you please explain it a bit more ?
    Assuming you have 100 stealth.. these two items add +20 ninja and +10 stealth. (we don't want 110 stealth, so u can remove 10 points of stealth 90 "real" stealth for GM stealth)

    Those 10 Stealth points can now be added to +10 ninjitsu for a total of 30.

    NOW.. assuming u wanna optimise.. all u really want is 85 stealth for PvE (with leather items + a burglar cap) so u can remove 15 extra stealth to be 75 real stealth (85 with the talisman) and add those 15 points to ninja for a total of 45.
    You have more items like that like a +10 stealth robe.. u could drop even more your real stealth for more skill like STEALING or 5 point in ninjitsu. (small hint here; to help u understand the previous tunnel vision point)


    Edit: if u want a LUCK thief for this event.. take a look at Mariah build.. a solid start for you. She can wear all the luck she wants.
    You just need to start training stealing asap.. took me ~2weeks leveling it from 50 to ~113.2. (with no pink nor blue scrolls)
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,314
    edited October 21
    @popps look at this video.. sorry for the poop video.. I hvn't touch UO in a while.. I want to show u with 85 stealth I'm always stealth.. let's just say u don't hang very long next to a greater dragon with 85 stealth tho.

    PS: I have remove the shadow tali to be 85 stealth.. when I stopped I was still working on the thief and just gotten this tali from the heretic event, before I stop cuz of the horrible gaming condition during those events.
    Also, I do not have any macro set up on this laptop for UO.



    PS: I even use a metal gorget. (mage one tho)
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 3,246
    edited October 21
    With my suit I have 
    Real skill 
    Hiding 95
    Stealing 70
    Stealth 35
    Detect hidden 100
    Lock picking 100
    Remove Trap 100
    Magery 100
    Resisting spell 120

    Modified skill
    Hiding 100
    Stealing 120
    Stealth 120
    Detect 100
    Lp 100
    Remove 100
    Magery 100 
    Resisting spell 120
    100 lrc 
    1205 luck without statue 
    2155 with statue 
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,314
    edited October 21
    @Grimbeard last time you were giving bad info then you said u retired your thief years ago..
    That he was now a fisher.  :/

    I demand in game screenshot.  :*
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • UrgeUrge Posts: 1,369
    Are the chests spawning in non active dungeons?
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 3,246
    My thief very different have you ever stolen a ps out of another players backpack?  Nothing beats that thrill but that was another time..
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,314
    edited October 21
    After giving a bad info, (you need to join the guild to steal from your own llama) you said the following, when I ask for proof of it's existence:



    Now u pretty much doing the same thing.
    https://forum.uo.com/discussion/16077/stealing

    And yes.. I did stole PS back then.. as soon SamuraiEmpire launch and faction PvP was dying.. I did a ninja PvP with my PvP thief.
    We talking about PvE thief here.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 3,246
    KroDuK said:
    After giving a bad info, (you need to join the guild to steal from your own llama) you said the following, when I ask for proof of it's existence:



    Now u pretty much doing the same thing.
    https://forum.uo.com/discussion/16077/stealing

    And yes.. I did stole PS back then.. as soon SamuraiEmpire launch and faction PvP was dying.. I did a ninja PvP with my PvP thief.
    We talking about PvE thief here.
    What exactly am I supposed to prove to you?  
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,314
    edited October 21
    Realise this is a PvE thief topic, for the event..

    On a sidenote..
    I'm still demanding a proof of it's existence.. since your comment bring nothing to the table.. u came here just to flex a PvP thief template.. Base on the bad info u gave last April, I suspected even the PvE version did not exist. Wich u admitted neither exist anymore.. fisher now.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 3,246
    More BS babble what is it I need to prove to you? 
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,314
    edited October 22
    Don't worry, just pull up your pants.   :D
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • poppspopps Posts: 4,290
    Mariah said:
    Real skill
    Detect hidden 100/100
    Hiding 100/100
    Lockpicking 100/100
    Magery 100/120 (can equip Drogeni's spellbook to reach 120)
    Remove Trap 96.6 (trained for this event. stoned GM snooping)
    Stealing 120/120
    Stealth 100/120 (add 10 for Blackthorn plain dress) 

    Are you wearing any Luck with your Template and, if so, how much Luck (without the Statue...) ?
    Also, did you find any advantage from wearing the Luck you have in getting better loot from the hidden chests as well as more chances to get stealable rares ? Like, for example, on average of course, how many hidden chests you need to get through in order to finally find a stealable ?

    Thank you !!
  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,604Moderator
    I'll let you know when I find one.
    Luck 2275 without the statue
    Lucky charm
    Mark of Wildfire 
    Elegant collar of fortune
    Defiler's grasp
    Bleue jewelry set
    Armor of Fortune
    Crafted sleeves - 190
    Crafted legs 160
    Crafted gloves 150

    None of these items were bought from vendors, unless you count the jewels that I 'bought' with clean up points. 
  • poppspopps Posts: 4,290
    edited October 23
    Mariah said:

    I am having a problem with the Talisman of the Fey...

    As you can see from the picture below, my Ninjitsu is well over 40 (it is 70) yet, equipping the Talisman of the Fey not only does not automatically turn me into a Ferret but, it does not also provide the +10.0 Stealing that I need...

    Yes, if I cast the Ninjitsu spell Animal Form and turn into a Ferret this does make me turn into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing skill points but then, why would I need the Talisman of the Fey if I need to cast the spell Animal Form anyways ?

    Am I doing something wrong that the Talisman of the Fey does not automatically turn me into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing ?


  • UrgeUrge Posts: 1,369
    Urge said:
    Ok maybe I'm not making sense or you're just not listening idk.


     Equipping the talisman does nothing but unlock ferret form in the animal form menu when it's only equipped. You then need to animal form into the ferret to get the +10 stealing. 

    Yes you can hide/stealth and steal in ferret form. 

    You can also use a cu talisman and heal yourself with zero healing while hidden. 

    ^^^ already answered this days ago. 
  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,604Moderator

    popps said:
    @ Mariah

    I am having a problem with the Talisman of the Fey...

    As you can see from the picture below, my Ninjitsu is well over 40 (it is 70) yet, equipping the Talisman of the Fey not only does not automatically turn me into a Ferret but, it does not also provide the +10.0 Stealing that I need...

    Yes, if I cast the Ninjitsu spell Animal Form and turn into a Ferret this does make me turn into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing skill points but then, why would I need the Talisman of the Fey if I need to cast the spell Animal Form anyways ?

    Am I doing something wrong that the Talisman of the Fey does not automatically turn me into a Ferret and adds the +10 stealing ?



    To repeat my earlier information:
    Mariah said:
    Sorry for the late reply, I was stealthing around the dungeon finding boxes

    Casting animal form with ninjitsu gives you
    • Rabbit or Rat
    • Cat or Dog
    • Giant Serpent
    • Bullfrog
    • Ostard or Llama
    • Wolf or Bake-Kitsune
    • Unicorn
    • Ki-Rin
    Equipping a talisman of the Fey (Ferret Form) adds 'Ferret' to the choices. Each of those forms has some kind of bonus, the bonus from ferret form being a stealing boost. Clear now?

    If you don't equip the talisman, ferret is not one of the choices when you cast the spell!

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