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Hidden chests: trying to figure things out

LeBaitonLeBaiton Posts: 76
in General Discussions
Hey! Can I do a quick headcount to see if more people suffer from the following?

Tonight I've tried to find some hidden chests in Terathan Keep. I did find some, started at the entrance and then slowly moved to the area west, with the swampy center in it. 

Looking back I maybe found a total of around 30 chests? Somewhere around that number anyway. I would have kept a better total if I knew how the results would add up. I was there for about one and a half hour, and then I spend 30 mins being resskilled at the entrance, because I can't manage that bloody rope ladder for the life of me.

So I just wanted to put in some numbers. In total I found 1 chest with a deco egg. And 1 chest with 1 Umbrascale bracelet. All the other chests had the bandage/invis potions/smoke bomb/gem bag/lockpicks combo.

Didn't matter if the hidden chests where crates, wooden chests, metal chests. They mostly ended up with that combo except for two chests.

Now to say I'm underwhelmed would be an understatement. Same thing happened to me last night. Almost all hidden chests contained that bandage/invis potions/smoke bomb/gem bag/lockpicks combo. I hardly get anything else. Is this really working as intended?

I did get lucky on day one with an effigy. And on day one of the update it seemed the mix of chests with maps, eggs and that item-combo (that I am starting to despise) was a lot better. But now it's just starting to look weird.

Stats: I run with 2276 luck. I haven't altered that. Yet. I might test if that influences anything? 

Anyone else would like to run and share numbers with me to see if this is a bug?

Cheers!
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  • WhitewolfWhitewolf Posts: 271
    i wear a 2980 luck suit ive opened 100's of chests and ive got nothing, i get artifact drops once in awhile but rest is just bags of gems and bandages..etc no rares no mature eggs, ive pretty much proven luck has nothing to do with it, people i know of who has gotten eggs and rares, either have no luck gear or very low luck, the other night someone with 150 luck got a mature egg.
  • LeBaitonLeBaiton Posts: 76
    Whitewolf said:
    i wear a 2980 luck suit ive opened 100's of chests and ive got nothing, i get artifact drops once in awhile but rest is just bags of gems and bandages..etc no rares no mature eggs, ive pretty much proven luck has nothing to do with it, people i know of who has gotten eggs and rares, either have no luck gear or very low luck, the other night someone with 150 luck got a mature egg.

    Hmm, I don't know. I spend another 2 hours in a dungeon, but this time I used 2145 luck and now the RNG was giving me chests with eggs (7 pieces), 4 dragon nest maps and chests with sometimes 3 Umbrascale pieces in it, totalling 24 event-armor from chests.

    It's a pretty big difference compared to the other 2 hours and the hours I spend the day before, just by lowering my luck a bit.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,352
    This is the thing with pure RNG.. higher luck will increase your odds, not your luck.. if it make sense  ;)
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • TimStTimSt Posts: 1,968
    edited October 18
    I am wearing 1565 luck and I am getting a ton of drops and numerous eggs from the hidden chests.  The RNG loves me so far.  I did the Terathan Keep this afternoon and got 36 drops in less than an hour of play.
  • SylphSylph Posts: 38
    I'm wearing 2850 luck suit and have spent at least 8-10 hours a day (WFH so lots of free time between work stuff lol) and I've gotten 0 Mature Dragon Eggs since it released on Origin... think I must have the worst luck and feeling I'm gonna spend my whole time this event doing the chest :(
    Lady Sylph/Lady Gem Star/Rainbow Star
    Atlantic/Legends/Origin


  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,352
    edited October 20
    I'd be curious to know the % chance for some items like that mature dragon eggs.. wich seems to be VERY valuable and rare.

    Maybe u went from trying to win the jackpot to getting strike by lightning odds wise:


    Depending on this logic with the actual studio.. You could always buy more "tickets" on top of increasing your odds, u could multiply them.. you know; the totally not legit, legit stuff.  :'(
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • keven2002keven2002 Posts: 2,661
    Personally I have felt like wearing a luck suit has never worked for me on this type of thing, whether it be this event or previous ones (even Khuldan). My thief template is very squishy with skill bonus items so using the luck suit makes it way more difficult to stay alive as well so I've abandoned my luck suit in favor of my thief suit.

    The results are about the same for me as wearing the luck suit.... no "rare" drops but a mix of everything else. That would make sense; I do think that I read luck only helps getting the rare items to drop so the "other stuff" is just random regardless of luck (I believe).
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 3,267
    My suit 
    Burglar bandana +10 steal + 10 stealth
    Neck 190 luck 8lmc 20 lrc
    Shadeweavers embrace +20 steal +20 stealth 
    Arms 190 luck 8lmc 20 lrc
    Shadow dancers leggings +20 steal + 20 stealth 
    Gloves 100 luck 10 lmc 20 lrc
    Feudal ghostwalkers +5 stealth +5 hiding
    Ring compassion eye 250 luck 20 lrc
    Yukio earrings 125 luck 
    Bracelet primal consumption 200 luck
    Wizards curio 10 lrc
    Defilers belt 150 luck
    Cloak +20 stealth 
    Robe +10 stealth 


  • TimStTimSt Posts: 1,968
    I know from yearly chest hunting in Khaldun that it feels like too much luck results in diminishing returns.
  • TheoTheo Posts: 269
    It really makes me wonder if someone messed up the luck formula. Like say finding a rare is 1% chance and 2000 luck increases your chances 25%.  Are they multiplying 1% x 25% and now getting g .25% chance?  Instead of multiply by (1+ .25) for a now 1.25% chance?   Someone go check the code.  Confirm luck is a boost and not a detractor. 
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,352
    edited October 23
    If we talking about "feels"

    I can agree high luck on UO always felt "weird" when you don't think about it.

    You do Bone Daemon in Doom with a dexer; no luck.. every ~20 Bone Daemon you had a decent piece of jewelry as a keeper.

    You do it on a tamer full luck most items were TRASH but u'd get something very decent every ~100 Bone Daemon, if you were lucky.
    (same logic of higher luck = more grind.. but for better stuff)


    Like (random numbers) if you have 0 luck u could get 4 mods items with 30% max properties
    With high luck u could get 6 mods items with 50% max properties.

    The high luck items pool is just way bigger (with a lower random chance to be better).. wich explained that feeling of crappier loot and harder to get good items. Increasing the RNG range for better stuff, also increase the trash roll chances.
    Before u had one chance on 30 to get max roll after it's 1 out of 50 with 2 more mods (almost exponential cuz of the added mods).. more room to get shitty mods/rolls.

    Again, in both case (here for the rare stuff from chests) high luck increase your ODDS at getting the good stuff.. it does not increase your LUCK, some could say it's the opposite and it would make sense, imo.


    Edit: same logic would applied to champion spawn with my experience.. A lot more trash loot overall with high luck tamers.. way less good keepers.. but once in a while (very rare) u had that automatic BiS (usually weapons) from a champ spawn with high luck.

    Same logic as the chests one except u won't get the more trashy loots with lower luck.. wich is why people tend to run on lower luck.. but yeah your odds are better with higher luck for the rare stuff.

    If you are lucky having 0,003 instead of 0,002 won't change anything for you.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 3,267
    KroDuK said:
    If we talking about "feels"

    I can agree high luck on UO always felt "weird" when you don't think about it.

    You do Bone Daemon in Doom with a dexer; no luck.. every ~20 Bone Daemon you had a decent piece of jewelry as a keeper.

    You do it on a tamer full luck most items were TRASH but u'd get something very decent every ~100 Bone Daemon.
    (same logic of higher luck = more grind.. but for better stuff)


    Like (random numbers) if you have 0 luck u could get 4 mods items with 30% max properties
    With high luck u could get 6 mods items with 50% max properties.

    The high luck items pool is just way bigger (with a higher random chance to be better).. wich explained that feeling of crappier loot and harder to get good items. Increasing the RNG range for better stuff, also increase the trash roll chances.
    Before u had one chance on 30 to get max roll after it's 1 out of 50 with 2 more mods (almost exponential cuz of the added mods).. more room to get shitty mods.

    Again, in both case (here for the rare stuff from chests) high luck increase your ODDS at getting the good stuff.. it does not increase your LUCK, some could say it's the opposite and it would make sense, imo.
    By your own admission you don't even play why are you here?
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,352
    edited October 23
    Do you need help to pull up your pants son?

    I'm here to make UO a good sandbox game.. once more!
    For the first time, since Mythic/BS took over 2 decade ago.


    All the risk vs reward sandbox game out there wants to be UO.. while UO try to be something else since mythic took over, almost 20 yrs ago.


    Edit: flash news.. more than 50% of subsciber ain't playing UO.  :D
    If you consider automation and cheaters.. more than 95%  :'(
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • PawainPawain Posts: 11,492
    You can see luck work when mining Niter.  Do you start getting smaller deposits when your luck is too high?
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,352
    edited October 23
    No idea, I won't touch that cheaterbooster for the life of me.. it does what it was intended to do.. mainstream the automation of the inferior EC client.. burying the legit CC once and for all.

    PS: BUT i can use my brain.. that pool u talking about is TINY. try to use that brain from time to time.

    You increase your odds of max roll on a 6 face dice.. vs a 24 face.. vs..


    Edit: nvm u don'T deserve a Popps explanation for my comparison with the trashier high luck loots while MFing.

    Your niter pool is TINY compare to the rare stuff from chests. Try to feel a difference between 2 chance on 100k vs 3 chance on 100k.. vs 2 chance on 6 vs 3 chance on 6. (good old logic; 50% better odds)
    Try the luck test now..
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
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