Magery and Poisoning?

LilyGrace · July 22

Can anyone point me in the right direction for threads that offer information on how to best apply the skill of poisoning nowadays?

Are there benefits to a mage? Or a Mystic? Or a Mage/Mystic?

Thanks!

keven2002 · July 22

I don't have a thread for you, but IMO the use of the poisoning skill for a mage template has limited uses since it only actually applies to 2 spells (poison / poison field). It has absolutely zero synergy with mystic.

The only real uses I see for a nox mage is if you are helping with large amounts of mobs and you are throwing down poison fields (and the mobs don't all have magery). You are hitting the targets with greater poison which does a decent amount of damage over time. The poison spell when standing next to a target will inflict deadly poison but the problem is that if they have decent resist it takes multiple attempts and if they have magery it gets cured almost instantly.

To me... the return on 100 skill points of poisoning isn't there. To your point you could do mystic or weaving to get more spells/damage from them for the points invested. If it's a longer fight, I'd probably even go scribe over poisoning because you are getting a bump to SDI which would accumulate over time to every single target rather than just the ones who couldn't cure poison.

Just my 2 cents though.

LilyGrace · July 22

That's awesome info to have. Thanks, Kevin! I'd be interested to know what you think of an Archer with Poison skill. Do you think the 100 points is worth it there? Or would it leave an archer gimped?

Thanks again for the input.

keven2002 · July 22

If you are talking PvM then I'd skip the poison and go for an ABC style build (Archery/Bushido/Chiv); mainly because there is only 1 bow (elven comp) that inflicts poison and would benefit from GM poison... that weapon is simply not as good as a regular comp bow though.

At one point there was a build for PvP that had an archer using an elven comp with serpent arrow but I think it might have been a melee skill as their combat skill with the elven comp with Use Best Skill (or maybe the melee weapons for UBWS??). Idea was to hit someone a time or 2 with AI then disarm them and when they went to run swap over to the elven comp to poison and reg comp for moving shot... it was a long time ago though so not sure if this is viable (or even works) anymore.

I guess my questions would be what do you usually fight/kill and why are you looking to use poison skill (mine has been stoned for a few years now)? If you do champ spawns regularly then it could be used to cast poison fields and run along to find more mobs to attract through the fields... outside of that I don't think poison itself inflicts enough consistent damage to use 100 skill points on it.

loop · July 22

I’m not sure of any threads specifically, but maybe I can help clarify the information on the wiki: https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/poisoning/

The Poisoning skill will increase the strength of Poison and Poison Field. In the case of Poison, there is a distance check.

With 120 Magery, you would need at least 80 Poisoning to get greatest benefit. With 100 Magery, you would need 100 Poisoning.

Poisoning does provide greater resistance to poisons. In my experience, it’s not outright immunity, but you may have a chance to remove it each tick. Less time spent curing is great, as the alternative of relying on Magic Resist doesn’t quite work due to Protection.

In general, Poisoning isn’t that useful for a mage and is less useful for a mystic due to stone form. Poisoning is the weakest damage type, and some monsters are outright immune. The mastery would also be awkward to use for a full mage.

I would find it interesting for some kind of stealth summoner template, where you drop fields and let your summon do the work, but it’s not the most “optimal”. More for fun.

Mariah · July 22

Sorry Keven, UBWS doesn't work for bows. The property only applies to melee weapons.

loop · July 22

If I were theorizing about PVM poison templates they would look like:

Swords or fencing 120
Tact 120
Anat 120
Magery 100 to 120
Healing 100
Poisoning 100
Rest in parry

Spell channeling weapon and shield and use the poison mastery. Can use poison fields.

Myst 120
Focus 120
Mage 100
Poisoning 100
Med 100
Hiding 100
Stealth 80

Hide and throw fields with your RC.

Grimbeard · July 22

It's not worth it too many monsters immune or have high resistance

LilyGrace · July 22

Ok, thanks Kev, Loop, Mariah and Grim.

I trained it to close to GM ages ago, not really being sure how it would be applied or if I should even bother. I think for now I'll just go ahead and leave it on a stone rather than take the time to raise it higher or rearrange builds on either my magic users or my ABC archer for it.

I thought maybe I could make a significant difference in fighting with a group if I were casting poison spells and poison field spells. Or if I were able to use it on an archer and poison my arrows.

Thanks you all again for taking the time. Much appreciated.

Urge · July 22

Leave it on a stone. Weaving and mystic are much better for a group.

Unless you enjoy watching things die of boredom. That's the current state of poison.

Lokea · July 22

LilyGrace said:

I trained it to close to GM ages ago, not really being sure how it would be applied or if I should even bother. I think for now I'll just go ahead and leave it on a stone rather than take the time to raise it higher or rearrange builds on either my magic users or my ABC archer for it.

I thought maybe I could make a significant difference in fighting with a group if I were casting poison spells and poison field spells. Or if I were able to use it on an archer and poison my arrows.

Thanks you all again for taking the time. Much appreciated.

They answered your questions, but I’ll say as somebody who recently rebuilt (or rather currently is) their archer, it’s too many points for too little gain, given how often you might have a chance to use it at its full potential. I played around on test center a lot, and what I had to sacrifice to work it in just didn’t make sense - I gained a little against some mobs, but lost a lot in dealing with most.

LilyGrace · July 22

Yeah, thanks @Urge and @Lokea. Too bad, maybe it’s a skill that’ll be revisited again someday.

I thought back in the day poisoning weapons was kinda awesome. Why can’t we do that anymore?

Urge · July 22

In pvp they worked decently well the last time I tried to compete with the auto target clients.

It's the serpent arrow that's always been subpar. The snake bite seems go off the wrestling and parry of what you're fighting. It's almost comical watching it miss over and over.

LilyGrace · 12:27AM

It’d be nice to see it as a skill that’ll could bring viable variations to fighter builds used in PvM.

Pawain · 1:31AM

Do we really need to have 900 points on our templates?

Poison works great in NL for PvM. It also did till the 2000s.

When the pet revamp came out everyone used poison on pets that could get it, didn't take long to get bored by seeing the 1 tic, or this creature is immune to poison.

keven2002 · 10:50AM

Pawain said:

Do we really need to have 900 points on our templates?

Poison works great in NL for PvM. It also did till the 2000s.

When the pet revamp came out everyone used poison on pets that could get it, didn't take long to get bored by seeing the 1 tic, or this creature is immune to poison.

You no read good. Where did anyone say we need to have 900 points on our templates? Where did anyone talk about NL?

We know that you are opposed to change unless it comes directly from a Dev and then you pickup your pompoms; regardless of what it is.... but are you even reading what people write or do you just read the thread title and spew random thoughts from your head?

I'm not sure what value your post here (or most places) adds aside from your post count +1... "Poison is green..and I used it just fine that one time I played NL..derr" .

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