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  • usernameusername Posts: 1,046
    Cookie said:
    If person A presses a button 300 times to empty 10 kegs, and person B presses 1 button, does it genuinely make person A a better and more skilful potion stacker?
    Absolutely. And never forget you're player B.
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  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,895
    username said:
    Cookie said:
    If person A presses a button 300 times to empty 10 kegs, and person B presses 1 button, does it genuinely make person A a better and more skilful potion stacker?
    Absolutely. And never forget you're player B.
    In my world, I would want to be player B these days, and use the time I save for other more fun stuff. :)
  • usernameusername Posts: 1,046
    edited April 4
    Cookie said:
    username said:
    Cookie said:
    If person A presses a button 300 times to empty 10 kegs, and person B presses 1 button, does it genuinely make person A a better and more skilful potion stacker?
    Absolutely. And never forget you're player B.
    In my world, I would want to be player B these days, and use the time I save for other more fun stuff. :)
    Cool. Then we agree. Feel free to bot menial tasks, training skills or creating potions for self usage, and time in PVP = time in PVP either way and PVP requires skill, so stop cheating in PVP.

    :)

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  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 981
    edited April 5
    Cookie said:
    I accept some of them may take gaming automation too far, but in general - No.
     :D

    You want to see some of my experience during last event; like raw footage? I PvPed 16 differents character multiple time on Legend in ~10 days.. a single dude was not frame skipping all over the place.


    How u are trying to rationalise; for crafting stuff.. is HILARIOUS... who care if u loop something in your house (like emptying a keg) like c'mon bra!
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

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  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 981
    Lokea said:
    KroDuK said:
    Lokea said:
    I think you mean Discord validation for ClassicUO, and I have no problem with that (I would with FB, I got rid of my account, it's as much of a cesspool of misinformation as twitter is). They use Discord to distribute the client, to save your settings across multiple computers (a solid feature as I like having my settings for my account available across multiple computers), and for support/chat.

    I said Facebook validation cuz both FB and Discord are own by meta.. Facebook is just more safe/secure overall, cuz they have to and i'd argue with you on the cesspool..in those 3 (twitter include): discord wins, imo.
    It's like irony when I say FB validation for CUO client.. some people really dislike FB but LOVE discord.. when in fact.. same; just less supervise by meta.

     Can you show me where Meta/Facebook owns Discord? I would love to read more about that.
    It's another rabbit hole  ;)

    Officially they're "independant" but if u dig a bit.. u got hint like their subcontract or reading this article: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/discord-actually-metaverse-company-michael-spencer-#:~:text=Discord is Actually a Metaverse Company


    They are as independant as Ashes of creation.. it is as real as the non existant yew tram grey zone.  ;)
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 981
    edited April 5
    Lokea said:
    KroDuK said:

    We will need to get on vocal one day to talk about UO.. so much stuff I would say.. and I could come out as rude, in text.
    The fact is the die was cast when EA cancelled Ultima Worlds: Origin, aka UO2, back in 2001

    So here we are, and as I said, I'm grateful and amazed that 5-6 people are keeping a 28 year-old MMO going.
    The EA president that cancel those 3 MMO (wing's commander, UO2 and Harry Potter)
    is still out of touch today.. when he tried to charge big money to the dev for using unity  :D

    As for the number u bringing.. u should realise.. even a game like The Elder Scroll Online.. a few weeks after the launch.. they were 6 dev to run the game.. work on bug and fixes while working on new content. (u also have interviews of that the release recently; for their 10 years anni)
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • usernameusername Posts: 1,046
    edited April 5
    KroDuK said:
    Cookie said:
    I accept some of them may take gaming automation too far, but in general - No.

    How u are trying to rationalise; for crafting stuff.. is HILARIOUS... who care if u loop something in your house (like emptying a keg) like c'mon bra!
    Realize how @Cookie didn't respond to my last post? It's pretty funny. They got caught in their own awful circular logic: tried to compare the botting they do and automated PVP to making potions in their house, justifying it by saying 'oh it saves time to do fun things' and 'it takes no skill so why not'... but then you point out they also massively cheat in PVP where saving time isn't a thing and there's a very high ceiling for (legitimate) skill and they shut down. It's what we call delusional.

    Cookie irl from my last post:
    This discussion has been closed.

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  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 981
    edited April 5
    lol, let's be real here.. Cookie said in the past the ONLY automation he uses for PvP is the trap box.. cuz he's a skilled user.. the other automation slow him down.. he is that good.

    When the dev ban his client for ~2 days.. he was on the forum saying he was closing his 5 accounts (saying no one was PvPing anymore).. I was like bro.. u just need to do a trap box macro.. arn't u that good?


    Personally I was very pleased by the new automation to craft a stack of potion.. such a breath of fresh air.. but things like doing BODS.. I mean.. i'm clearly a dumb dumb for not cheating and organising them manually.. all we need to make BODS legit friendly would be a name filter in those books.. but UI stuff is a big job dev wise.. it's easy for them to close their eyes.. but at what point don't u realised UO is such a good game with a tons of content (right 95% of the content is now ruined cuz of power creeping.. a problem that keeps getting worse with those events) it could be a top 10 most played in 2025.

    But yeah.. the timing is perfect to make huge move.. like a front EA store that sells gold.. what is killing me ain't the old mistakes.. but the new one and the miss opportunity.. like freaking NL  :'(


    PS: for the potion.. this is a fact tho.. I was used to fill keg.. but with their new craft stack option for potions.. u'd have to be dumb to use Keg.. if the VvV potion come into a keg.. something need to be address instead of cheating.. but u know.. way easier to close your eyes.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 981
    edited April 5
    keven2002 said:
    I don't know much about them at all so I have no idea how they work (assuming some sort of scrapper tool sends things to Discord?)
    Example on Albion Online.. radar was a problem for the black zone (free PvP zones with guild hideout and valuable resources on a long respawn timer)


    The dev did the mist for small size to medium size guild.. You have map (with mobs/resource and room to build hideout) link to each others by roads.. these roads reset everyday.. everyday the road changes.. it's randomize.. u have new neighboors with new valuable zone around you, everyday.

    People using a third party and VIA a discord channel, they can share among them the new roads layout; they need to explore it themselves first, everyday.. cuz the SBI server sending very limited info to our client.. and those cheater cannot grab the entire new map layout from the client.. so they share those info (via third party program) using discord... it's all automated.. 20 min after server maintenance, they got a full layout/map hack.. to snipe valuable stuff or ennemies.

    Getting those discord shut down was a huge hit for those cheaters.

    As to talk with GM.. a game like T4C (the nightmare revolution server)
    You can legit talk on the in game main chat.. by typing on a specific discord channel (this was dev by the dev, legit tool here)

    You could be sun bathing and talking to a UO GM on your phone, via discord, with your bots while they are grinding.. if u don't trust an AI.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • LokeaLokea Posts: 48
    KroDuK said:

    The EA president that cancel those 3 MMO (wing's commander, UO2 and Harry Potter)
    Still blows my mind that EA canceled a Harry Potter MMO in the early 2000s when the movies were literally coming out every year for several years, and there were still a few books that had not been finished and published yet.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 981
    edited April 5
    This is our genius: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Riccitiello

    You can find many article online on why he decided to cancel Harry Potter MMO (he was ultimately the one that took the decision)


    I heard UO 2 was cancelled to not compete with the first UO.

    As for Privateer Online (the wing's commander MMO) it would have been a dated star citizen but mostly the dog fight part.


    Edit: about this genius.. pretty sure he got fired after that scandal; when he tried to charge big money for dev working under unity.. I say fire but those guy usually leave the company by their own will with a fat check.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,895
    edited April 5
    KroDuK said:
    Cookie said:
    I accept some of them may take gaming automation too far, but in general - No.
     :D

    You want to see some of my experience during last event; like raw footage? I PvPed 16 differents character multiple time on Legend in ~10 days.. a single dude was not frame skipping all over the place.


    How u are trying to rationalise; for crafting stuff.. is HILARIOUS... who care if u loop something in your house (like emptying a keg) like c'mon bra!
    You saw from the script book, the type of scripts the big bad pvper from the organised crime syndicate was using. They were mostly menial crafting stuff - this is what you guys are getting so worked up about, and trying to ban basically.

    username said:
    KroDuK said:
    Cookie said:
    I accept some of them may take gaming automation too far, but in general - No.

    How u are trying to rationalise; for crafting stuff.. is HILARIOUS... who care if u loop something in your house (like emptying a keg) like c'mon bra!
    Realize how @ Cookie didn't respond to my last post? It's pretty funny. They got caught in their own awful circular logic: tried to compare the botting they do and automated PVP to making potions in their house, justifying it by saying 'oh it saves time to do fun things' and 'it takes no skill so why not'... but then you point out they also massively cheat in PVP where saving time isn't a thing and there's a very high ceiling for (legitimate) skill and they shut down. It's what we call delusional.

    Cookie irl from my last post:
    I did not reply, because I saw nothing of note to reply to?
    I was not bothered by it, I was prepared to let you have the last word, I'd made my points.

    I was not caught out on anything - I had in fact got you guys to the point you were saying it was ok to do menial crafting tasks - therefore, it was you guys who were in fact caught out on your own witch-hunt.
    Because that is what I have been arguing for.
    You were the one who provided the script book as evidence for wanting to ban half the players of the game - I discussed the contents rationally.

  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,895
    edited April 5
    KroDuK said:
    PS: for the potion.. this is a fact tho.. I was used to fill keg.. but with their new craft stack option for potions.. u'd have to be dumb to use Keg.. if the VvV potion come into a keg.. something need to be address instead of cheating.. but u know.. way easier to close your eyes.
    Everything I say is fact, it's just a case of if you can see it or not.

    You will have seen how many queries I raise, and how many things I try to get addressed.
    For example - the level of detail I went to, describing the unloading VvV keg process to the Devs, and why it could be considered unreasonable, and therefore support script usage.

    In the meantime, I just fix my issues, not try to get everyone banned.
  • looploop Posts: 492
    Every time Cookie responds to one of KroDuk’s easy-to-follow-and-not-at-all-meandering posts >xD


  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,416Moderator
    I think this has gone on long enough
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