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PLEASE - PLEASE - PLEASE - PLEASE FIX VENDOR SEARCH 2025

KingKing Posts: 95
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@Kyronix ; since you the only person here that take the time answer dome of the posts, can you PLEASE ask @Bleak ; to take his precious time and PLEASE work on a fix for Vendor Search ?
It is very very very frustrate situation, I cant refine anymore.

I tried at Server UP, I tried for Hours and Hours and the result is always the same!!!!
It worked 1 time using Auction but not on the regular everyday VS.
Yes, Atlantic Shard Ofc.


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  • usernameusername Posts: 951
    edited December 2
    See: my signature. Vendor search has never really 'worked'. It should, but it doesn't. Hardly gives results 50% of the time with two keywords, let alone 6 criteria. Sad, isn't it?
    This discussion has been closed.

    I will be slow to reply because I cannot log in/stay logged in to the forums.
    Make this your signature if you are tired of Vendor Search being broken, over FIVE YEARS and counting.
    Vendor search rendered useless after Publish 106 – Forsaken Foes on August 14, 2019.
  • psychopsycho Posts: 356

    The other day I needed some of ice items on another shard than atlantic,
    searching "of ice" or only "ice" spit out everything that was for sale on the entire shard, from 20gp to 175 million.   That clearly didnt work.

    Also I am missing a few options in the search menu,

    • Shard Bound
    • None-shard bound
    • Imbued
    • None imbued

    Thanks
  • DragoDrago Posts: 312
    I'm a  database developer and I can tell you a few things on why VS is probably so slow:
    • Some Items/attributes are not efficiently indexed..(its a 30 year old game).  Indexing in database terms means organizing key values so retrieval of that data is faster.  If dataset isnt properly indexed, it takes longer to retrieve that data.
    • Alot of searches involve text strings (i.e. - it sweeps descriptions/names/player input descriptions).   Text strings take longer to compile in a database, (which is why most databases have a corresponding number value for a text.   i.e.    1 = Yes.  0 = No).  Numbers compile faster.   I doubt this is case in a 30 year old game for some things.
    Could VS be further optimized? Probably.   It would take a lot alot of work.  You'd have to go thru all those tables/columns/rows.  Even with a larger team , it would take a long time.

  • psychopsycho Posts: 356
    well the thing is sometimes the vendors search works perfectly fine, then other times it fails again and again.

    Also not all things showing up on search, sometimes ive put the lowest price on a vendor, only to discover 5 hours later its not even showing up on the list based on lowest to highest price.  (and yes, the vendor was opt in for searchable items)


    If alot of the vendor problems are due to the free text option, then more alternative options should be added to improve the search for all, I listed 4 possibile options above.

    Thank you
  • usernameusername Posts: 951
    edited December 6
    Can't even make regular vendor searches 50% of the time without it timing out and then 'Vendor Search' being grayed out and unavailable. My god the incompetence. 
    This discussion has been closed.

    I will be slow to reply because I cannot log in/stay logged in to the forums.
    Make this your signature if you are tired of Vendor Search being broken, over FIVE YEARS and counting.
    Vendor search rendered useless after Publish 106 – Forsaken Foes on August 14, 2019.
  • creampiecreampie Posts: 112
    username said:
    Can't even make regular vendor searches 50% of the time without it timing out and then 'Vendor Search' being grayed out and unavailable. My god the incompetence. 
    Will you ever post something revelant on this forum?
  • Arnold7Arnold7 Posts: 1,450
    Is it just the really complex searches?  I don’t play Atlantic.  Now it works most of the time on my shard. I usually search based on two or three criteria.  Search above has at least six.  Game is old.  If it has to do separate searches for each criteria that might why it does not work.  Know it’s frustrating.  When I started, I was lucky if it worked at all during the night.  Had to try several times during the night and hope to hit a time when it was working.
  • stevensteven Posts: 120
    I've already made a post about this and it has nothing to do with vendor search it's about the fake items they're putting up for sale with fake names like 120 animal lure and they'll put it a 120 fishing in the description and ask for 75 mil on a 180K item. They did not remove these items to start with and now the scammers have loaded the server full of them. I mean 100K or more items we're not talking a little bit we're talking a lot. If they were to remove the description of these items or even band of scammers I bet you vendor search will be a lot better.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 512
    creampie said:
    username said:
    Can't even make regular vendor searches 50% of the time without it timing out and then 'Vendor Search' being grayed out and unavailable. My god the incompetence. 
    Will you ever post something revelant on this forum?

    Aww, does it hurt your feelings when people ask for things like features that actually work or a game not 100% ruled by bots?
  • usernameusername Posts: 951
    edited December 7

    Aww, does it hurt your feelings when people ask for things like features that actually work or a game not 100% ruled by bots?
    I find it really funny that there are posters on these forums, and it seems like a vocal majority, that kick and scream when you call out something in the game that's just plain broken or needs adjusting. Heaven forbid we have a working vendor search that every other MMO has! No, ours must be broken, part of the 30 year old game UO Charm™ and the Devs can do no wrong. And we wonder why these systems remain broken..
    This discussion has been closed.

    I will be slow to reply because I cannot log in/stay logged in to the forums.
    Make this your signature if you are tired of Vendor Search being broken, over FIVE YEARS and counting.
    Vendor search rendered useless after Publish 106 – Forsaken Foes on August 14, 2019.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,403
    It's not what we say it's how we say it no wait if we seem rude or repetitive it's from years of being ignored and attacked by the sugar trolling koolaid drinkers 
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 698
    edited December 7
    The vendor system is a VERY good system.. if no one uses it.. it's like saying the game will stop lagging when people will stop logging in.. if the designer cannot figure it out.. maybe a upvote/downvote or sponsor vendors system could partially fix some issues..

    Like the design is broken off the bat.. I could if I wanted; flood the market (vendor search) with items i have no intention of selling.. putting unreasonable price.. (free stockage; load a bag with 124 items sale it for $$$)
    In same time the dev could come here and tell you.. well the vendor search is broken cuz u have too many items of the market!

    No s... sherlock.. I just loaded vendor with 5k overprice items to save room in my houses.


    PS: I still prefer their new vendor system to what we had before (internet site with lots of bug and only scanning market every ~6 hours)
    You could find a solid piece.. that was already sold  :s
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
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  • KingKing Posts: 95
    @Bleak I will poke you non stop, until you SAY something to everyone!!!!!

    this is 8:00am  barely anyone playing, a super specific search and FAIL


  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 512
    Making the search more specific makes it less likely to work, I've found.

    I wish we had search sites back.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 698
    edited December 9
    King said:


    I can already tell.. hvn't shop a lot on ATL.. but yeah.. u clearly need to select a specific items (like ring) and since u looking for brittle (ATL market has a TONS)
    pretty sure u gonna need a better price range.. like 2-5m  or 90-120m type of stuff.. maybe then your gonna be lucky.

    Pretty sure traffic ain't impact the vendor search (8am or prime time..i didn't see any difference).. more like the numbers of items to scan.

    PS: not defending the vendor search.. sometimes u do a research.. nada.. same research 20min later.. and stuff happear  :/
    But yeah i think this example is of bad faith for ATL..

    On a shard like legends u can legit write Shard Bound and have a list of all those items 0-175m in the same research.. the system works.. for 20% of the entire community, at best. (assuming 80% are on ATL)  :|
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
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  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 512
    I think they just don't have the technical proficiency to make a vendor search feature that functions correctly on a populated shard, but they've already published one, and they can't exactly remove it, so now it just sits there rotting away eternally.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,267
    Finally someone says what they are looking for.  And yall live on Atlantic???  I use VS all the time there.

    A guy has been selling 10 SSI jewels for years.  Type clean in the name.  Put the SSI  and one of the other properties.

    You can imbue the rest. With the new event armor you may not need both of those properties. DI on pants, HCI earrings, + Healing.  Many of us will be changing jewelry.  Make them fit what your template needs.



    I messed up the results picture.  His jewels are 16M each.  
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • stevensteven Posts: 120
    like i said remove all the fake items off vs and it will speed up vs and less crash's 
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,267
    Oh and BTW I looked at every jewel that day,  There was none with 10SSI, HCI and DI without any other properties.  So that's why the search took too long.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 512
    edited December 13
    Pawain said:
    Oh and BTW I looked at every jewel that day,  There was none with 10SSI, HCI and DI without any other properties.  So that's why the search took too long.

    Any search of (item type + one property) successfully returns every item that matches those criteria, even if they have a ton of other properties on them.  "Without any other properties" isn't part of the system's goals whatsoever.

    Any search of (item type + more than one property) automatically fails. Every time. Unless one of them is a skill bonus, for some reason.

    Searches that include text can succeed, but only return items where the seller bothered to include that text in the description. There could be a hundred HCI/SSI/DI rings out there where the seller didn't type "clean" and you wouldn't know.

    Go sit on your dead shard and stop trying to gaslight people who expect the game's features to work correctly with people around.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,267
    edited December 13
    @Lord_Nythrax ; So I should not have found these results on Atl.  Interesting.

    Who is gaslighting?  Tell me what u want and Ill find it.

    I doubt any other shard would have items like this.


    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 512
    edited December 13
    Searches including FC seem to sometimes (but not always) succeed in the same way searches involving skill bonuses do. Searching for SDI/LMC/FC will succeed, for example, but searching for just SDI/LMC always fails.

    Same way searching for DI/HCI always fails, and searching for DCI/LRC always fails, and the same way about 99% of the possible combinations someone might want always fail. Seriously, we actually play this shard, who do you think you're fooling triumphantly posting the 1% of searches that work?

    This system is seriously broken. Go gaslight and lick boots somewhere else. Or go do something productive, go toddle around on your dead shard and try to 120 your archery.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,267
    Lord_Nythrax said:
    Searches including FC seem to sometimes (but not always) succeed in the same way searches involving skill bonuses do. Searching for SDI/LMC/FC will succeed, for example, but searching for just SDI/LMC always fails.

    Same way searching for DI/HCI always fails, and searching for DCI/LRC always fails, and the same way about 99% of the possible combinations someone might want always fail. Seriously, we actually play this shard, who do you think you're fooling triumphantly posting the 1% of searches that work?

    This system is seriously broken. Go gaslight and lick boots somewhere else. Or go do something productive, go toddle around on your dead shard and try to 120 your archery.
    Since you won't tell me what you think I can not find, we will never know it works or not.

    I use Atl VS a lot.

    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 512
    Pawain said:
    Since you won't tell me what you think I can not find, we will never know it works or not.

    I use Atl VS a lot.


    Everyone knows this system is a garbage heap and that you're a demented bootlicker with a history of responding to bug reports trying to convince people they're intended features. Nobody wants to hear from you, we just want the developers to fix their broken product.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,267
    Lord_Nythrax said:
    Pawain said:
    Since you won't tell me what you think I can not find, we will never know it works or not.

    I use Atl VS a lot.


    Everyone knows this system is a garbage heap and that you're a demented bootlicker with a history of responding to bug reports trying to convince people they're intended features. Nobody wants to hear from you, we just want the developers to fix their broken product.
    Maybe explains in Detail what works and what does not would help fix it.

    Maybe they do like I do and go to Atlantic and try a item and 3 category search and it works, which you say does not.

    Then you come up with excuses as to why I can search and you can not.  (Uhhh you can't use FC because that works.)
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 698
    edited December 13
    limiting the price range helped me a lot.. u do way more research but yeah.. I usually start with 2-5m and finish with 90-120m.

    PS: u should try that while researching that HC + DI jewelry.. I personally had result showing up on ATL while looking for jewelry for the samp by limiting the price range.

    But yeah.. sometimes u do something like a powerscroll research nada and 20 min later the same research shows result.. like what??
    PS: usually those failed research that will show result later.. just time you out from the VS for a good ~5 min.. another good legit use of multi client
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
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