Nerf Sampires

Rhel · December 3

Merlin said:

Sampires should be left alone. It is (arguably) the most popular melee template and thousands of account holders have one. While they certainly have some powerful advantages, there is plenty of content where they are at a disadvantage.

The developers should ignore this echo chamber of forum trolls who simply want the rest of the UO community to share in their constant misery. Don't like sampires? Play New Legacy.

I agree. Sampires are an enjoyable way to play, and if anything we should be looking at making other classes as enjoyable, instead of beating them down to not be enjoyable.

Lord_Nythrax · December 3

Rhel said:
On my warrior, I see paragons latch onto tamers on foot and never change target until the tamer is dead, no matter how many people hit the paragon, or how many people run by it. It just sticks to tamers. Mean while, if I'm fighting a paragon, ANYTHING can run by me and the paragon will disengage and run off and never come back to me. I just have to chase it for 10 screens while it chases someone else. The AI is bad, and laughably so.

It's the same paragon AI that's been around for twenty years, exactly what kind of sympathy are you hoping for when you breathlessly tell people that tamers able to be targeted like literally everyone else?

Rhel said:
Like your video claiming sampires are OP, but you're fighting normal skeletal drakes and skeletal mages. I laughed. My dexxer two shots drakes and the HA on my weapon one shots non-paragon skeletal mages. I don't know why it took you so long to kill those mobs, but as a two week old warrior that I took the time to gear/skill, I can out kill your supposedly OP sampire, without necro. lol

That video was posted by KroduK, trying to show how skillful his chiv dexer gameplay was. I multi-kill Dark Fathers on my sampire when groups of people die and leave them in the gauntlet. Maybe try some basic reading comprehension before you cop your little attitude, so you don't make a fool of yourself.

Urge · December 3

Actually, I noticed they've been starting to instantly target as soon as they spawn where they used to take a second before they would target

Venom · December 3

While Sampires are clearly powerful, essentially everyone has the option to make one. With this invasion portion of the event, I've used a tamer, archer, sampire, and thrower. I prefer an archer of the group. I'm hardly a "hardcore" player anymore, and find tossing arrows easy enough and a high enough return. I find the tamer the least enjoyable of the invasion -- but the easiest for the Manifestation. I don't believe any single template should rule all scenarios and really do enjoy how this event is has different things to do.

Lord_Nythrax · December 3

username said:

Kinda irrelevant to this post but on my old sampire I've dropped necro completely and just use some of the new 100% leech weapons. Seems to keep me alive as well if not better than vampire form + extra skill points to add healing and resist spells. Personally I'd support this but seems like we're 20 years a bit late on the nerf and they're not super meta anymore, just a lazy outdated template, so meh.

To be honest I mostly agree with this. I run the template I do because I like it, the extent to which it aligns with any meta is essentially a coincidence, and gear inflation has leveled things out a lot anyway. With the right weapon and talisman any number of builds can blow up a screen full of trash and leave some scrublord seething.

Rhel · December 4

Lord_Nythrax said:

Rhel said:
On my warrior, I see paragons latch onto tamers on foot and never change target until the tamer is dead, no matter how many people hit the paragon, or how many people run by it. It just sticks to tamers. Mean while, if I'm fighting a paragon, ANYTHING can run by me and the paragon will disengage and run off and never come back to me. I just have to chase it for 10 screens while it chases someone else. The AI is bad, and laughably so.

It's the same paragon AI that's been around for twenty years, exactly what kind of sympathy are you hoping for when you breathlessly tell people that tamers able to be targeted like literally everyone else?

Rhel said:
Like your video claiming sampires are OP, but you're fighting normal skeletal drakes and skeletal mages. I laughed. My dexxer two shots drakes and the HA on my weapon one shots non-paragon skeletal mages. I don't know why it took you so long to kill those mobs, but as a two week old warrior that I took the time to gear/skill, I can out kill your supposedly OP sampire, without necro. lol

That video was posted by KroduK, trying to show how skillful his chiv dexer gameplay was. I multi-kill Dark Fathers on my sampire when groups of people die and leave them in the gauntlet. Maybe try some basic reading comprehension before you cop your little attitude, so you don't make a fool of yourself.

Oh, my bad. I guess you're both so similar and always reaffirming each other that I assumed you were the same person just using different accounts for clout/confirmation.

Its the same bad paragon AI that been around for 20 years. Being around for 20 years doesn't make something "good." And to be honest, as a returning player, it definitely seems more aggressive/unrelenting. I wouldn't expect you to understand though because you don't play tamers. lol

KroDuK · December 4

Rhel said:
Oh, my bad. I guess you're both so similar and always reaffirming each other that I assumed you were the same person just using different accounts for clout/confirmation.

Its the same bad paragon AI ... I wouldn't expect you to understand though because you don't play tamers. lol

Him and I disagreed on almost everything.. the last time we agreed was about the IQ of this 2024 community..

You're clearly projecting... i'd bet you don't even own a sampire (criticizing him for not owning a tamer) and this is your x'th forum account., meanwhile you're here commenting on a nerf-samp topic and thinking this one hand dexer that never leech a single resources in a 50 sec clip, was a samp.. nuts

Pro tip.. just use magery on your tamer and voilà.. imagine tho; bringing a tamer to kill a few skellies.. i'm not judging but god damn I am with anyone using a tamer during this pro bot event.

Personally i'd say BS doing everything in their power to discourage any non automated scripted toon to take part in their theme gated event (the game at this point.. since this is a theme gated game under BS mismanagement; not a sandbox).. they're way too third party friendly; for us by us, to be otherwise.. You cannot be that purposely blind while under delivering on moslty every aspect while being at "war"

On that they doing a very good job; being pro bots.. They'd rather have a community of 10k bots over 10k players while being at "war" against third party.. big L studio..

At this point, I have to ask the question.. is it a deal BS have with the gold sellers for them to sub tons of automated account to boost legal revenue and players count while ruining legit user game to push us toward gold seller and/or bots??
Last time I check it was the GM controlling that aspect earning a cut for doing the taxi..!?

Rhel · December 4

KroDuK said:

Rhel said:
Oh, my bad. I guess you're both so similar and always reaffirming each other that I assumed you were the same person just using different accounts for clout/confirmation.

Its the same bad paragon AI ... I wouldn't expect you to understand though because you don't play tamers. lol

Him and I disagreed on almost everything.. the last time we agreed was about the IQ of this 2024 community..

You're clearly projecting... i'd bet you don't even own a sampire (criticizing him for not owning a tamer) and this is your x'th forum account., meanwhile you're here commenting on a nerf-samp topic and thinking this one hand dexer that never leech a single resources in a 50 sec clip, was a samp.. nuts

Pro tip.. just use magery on your tamer and voilà.. imagine tho; bringing a tamer to kill a few skellies.. i'm not judging but god damn I am with anyone using a tamer during this pro bot event.

Personally i'd say BS doing everything in their power to discourage any non automated scripted toon to take part in their theme gated event (the game at this point.. since this is a theme gated game under BS mismanagement; not a sandbox).. they're way too third party friendly; for us by us, to be otherwise.. You cannot be that purposely blind while under delivering on moslty every aspect while being at "war"

On that they doing a very good job; being pro bots.. They'd rather have a community of 10k bots over 10k players while being at "war" against third party.. big L studio..

At this point, I have to ask the question.. is it a deal BS have with the gold sellers for them to sub tons of automated account to boost legal revenue and players count while ruining legit user game to push us toward gold seller and/or bots??
Last time I check it was the GM controlling that aspect earning a cut for doing the taxi..!?

That's some major conspiracy theory logic, but I'll admit not out of the realm of possibilities.

Just so you know, I do own a Dexxer/Sampire, specifically thanks to this event. Originally, I rolled up my thunter tamer, hoping to add detect hidden and be able to both kill mobs AND collect chests on one char, but the killing mobs/gaining artifacts portion was extremely slow. So I created and geared a pure "dexxer", who I then stoned off skills and tested out adding necromancy and chiv.

I only maintain two UO accounts, and only post on the forums with this one.

Lord_Nythrax · December 4

Rhel said:
Its the same bad paragon AI that been around for 20 years. Being around for 20 years doesn't make something "good." And to be honest, as a returning player, it definitely seems more aggressive/unrelenting. I wouldn't expect you to understand though because you don't play tamers. lol

Maybe try getting good, because I'm pretty sure "monsters no longer allowed to target tamers" isn't a change that's coming down the pipe any time soon. Like if your character can't survive even a few seconds of attention from whatever you're hunting well enough to even get invisible, then maybe you just don't belong there.

Oreogl · December 4

Merlin said:

Sampires should be left alone. It is (arguably) the most popular melee template and thousands of account holders have one. While they certainly have some powerful advantages, there is plenty of content where they are at a disadvantage.

The developers should ignore this echo chamber of forum trolls who simply want the rest of the UO community to share in their constant misery. Don't like sampires? Play New Legacy.

Yep, agreed. This shouldn’t even be a debate.

we need to stop playing the “nerf their template not mine” game.

Dont like sampires? Don’t use one.

Mariah · December 4

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