Requesting Pet Reset Tokens!

ThorakhThorakh Posts: 35
edited January 17 in General Discussions
Alot of players think pet reset tokens are a good idea, it would reset pets, improve the market and old bad pets could be reset to new good pets. There is also the benefit of the amount of cash it would generate for Ultima.
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  • ThorakhThorakh Posts: 35
    edited January 17
    Could also reset to random values if the data is not available for the pet stats, Could get a bad roll or a good role on the reset. This could breathe life into old ruined pets.
  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,243
    Thorakh said:
    Alot of players think pet reset tokens are a good idea, it would reset pets, improve the market and old bad pets could be reset to new good pets. There is also the benefit of the amount of cash it would generate for Ultima.
    This has been asked before and yes it is a good idea and the people getting the cash would be EA not UO.  EA sells Sov for cash and you use Sov in the UO Store.
  • JackFlashUkJackFlashUk Posts: 900
    100% YES 

  • MariahMariah Posts: 2,962Moderator
    Thorakh said:
    Could also reset to random values if the data is not available for the pet stats, Could get a bad roll or a good role on the reset. This could breathe life into old ruined pets.

    yup, and those who got a bad roll would complaint vehemently.
    This has been asked for before, the devs didn't say 'won't, they said 'can't'.
    Sometimes things aren't as simple as those asking for them believe.
  • JackFlashUkJackFlashUk Posts: 900
    Just a pet reset token. Simply that so if you balls up the training you can start again 
  • ArchangelArchangel Posts: 460
    What part of "can't" do you have problems understanding?
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 1,977
    Archangel said:
    What part of "can't" do you have problems understanding?
    Perhaps if the developers had a more transparent trustworthy relationship with the player base we'd be willing to accept can't rather than won't 
  • JackFlashUkJackFlashUk Posts: 900
    They can't because it would take effort, and a certain person cant be arsed or skill they don't have. Time to employ someone with a brain that CAN do what the players want don't you think?
  • AtomicBettyAtomicBetty Posts: 240
    Archangel said:
    What part of "can't" do you have problems understanding?

    It's probably cause the dev team uses the word can't a lot in place of they don't want to.
  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,243
    The only stats/skills that are saved are the current stats/skills.  A pet token would be a re-roll of everything
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 1,977
    The only stats/skills that are saved are the current stats/skills.  A pet token would be a re-roll of everything
    It's no different than popping a Triton statue..
  • ArchangelArchangel Posts: 460
    same difference, once they use the word, discussing any further is irrelevant. 
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 1,977
    Archangel said:
    same difference, once they use the word, discussing any further is irrelevant. 
    It's settling that's allowed the culture we currently have 
  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,243
    Grimbeard said:
    The only stats/skills that are saved are the current stats/skills.  A pet token would be a re-roll of everything
    It's no different than popping a Triton statue..
    YES  Roll the dice and hope for the best .
  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,019
    edited January 18
    1. They said the stats are not saved so the pet could end up with lower stats.

    A. Posters come complain they had a better pet and want a refund.  They did not read the warning.

    2. They do not want us to reroll pets 100 times to get a better one.  We can tame them for that.

    3. Unknown what this would do to a Bane or PP nightmare.  They could end up at 4 and 3 slots when rerolled. (When Kyronix made the Wildfire Ostards to copy a Bane, they were 4 slot, the game mechanics would not let him exceed the caps. So he reduced their HP significantly to make them 3 slots.)

    4. They don't want players to roll their blaze cus until they get a max stat one they can sell for 10 plats.

    No conspiracies. Just reasons yall refuse to accept.


    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • AtomicBettyAtomicBetty Posts: 240
    Pawain said:
    1. They said the stats are not saved so the pet could end up with lower stats.

    A. Posters come complain they had a better pet and want a refund.  They did not read the warning.

    2. They do not want us to reroll pets 100 times to get a better one.  We can tame them for that.

    3. Unknown what this would do to a Bane or PP nightmare.  They could end up at 4 and 3 slots when rerolled. (When Kyronix made the Wildfire Ostards to copy a Bane, they were 4 slot, the game mechanics would not let him exceed the caps. So he reduced their HP significantly to make them 3 slots.)

    4. They don't want players to roll their blaze cus until they get a max stat one they can sell for 10 plats.

    No conspiracies. Just reasons yall refuse to accept.



    So what you are saying is they can do it? but they won't? hmm weird.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,019
    edited January 19
    So what you are saying is they can do it? but they won't? hmm weird.
    Why does that surprise you?  Of course they could make a token to re roll a pet.  They do not want to.  There are many things they do not choose to do.  It is their game, they do what they feel is best.  Just cause some player comes up with an idea does not mean it goes into the game. Thank God for that, have you not read the requests here?

    Pet reroll is a popular idea, but I listed some complications, they do not want in the game, there are probably 10 more issues that it would cause that players would come up with.

    Another revelation,  Working as intended, means works fine for now, maybe someday we will look at it.
    But at this moment, that's how it works. So deal with it.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • PlayerSkillFTWPlayerSkillFTW Posts: 522
    edited January 19
    Pawain said:

    3. Unknown what this would do to a Bane or PP nightmare.

    Yep, how would it handle pets that have had multiple generations? For example, WWs have had 4 generations, with Gen 1s being able to have up to 825 STR. I've seen a 807 STR Gen 1 WW that was still 3 slots, and all the later generations were capped at 760 STR, with Gen 4 WWs being 4 slots at higher STR values.
  • poppspopps Posts: 3,927
    edited January 19
    Pawain said:
    1. They said the stats are not saved so the pet could end up with lower stats.

    A. Posters come complain they had a better pet and want a refund.  They did not read the warning.

    2. They do not want us to reroll pets 100 times to get a better one.  We can tame them for that.

    3. Unknown what this would do to a Bane or PP nightmare.  They could end up at 4 and 3 slots when rerolled. (When Kyronix made the Wildfire Ostards to copy a Bane, they were 4 slot, the game mechanics would not let him exceed the caps. So he reduced their HP significantly to make them 3 slots.)

    4. They don't want players to roll their blaze cus until they get a max stat one they can sell for 10 plats.

    No conspiracies. Just reasons yall refuse to accept.


    1. They said the stats are not saved so the pet could end up with lower stats.

    Well, this is can be changed, if the decision was to be made in this regards, can't it ?

    Perhaps not for the existing pets, but for all pets that can be tamed from the change onwards, it could be made that, upon taming them, their stats could be saved so that, on these "new" pets, a reset token could be used, if needed...

    What would be needed is then a way to tell apart the "old" pets on which the reset token could not be used, because their original stats are no longer known, from those "new" pets for which, instead, upon taming them, their original stats get saved and on which such a reset token could then be used... and this could be done adding a new feature, perhaps, to the Animal Lore skill... loring a pet could tell whether a reset token on it would or not work to reset the pet to its original stats.

    What I am trying to say is, that "if" there was to be this need, and the Developers wanted to make this possible, I am of the opinion that it could be done... not for the older pets, perhaps, but possibly for the new pets which UO player were to tame from the change onwards...


  • KyronixKyronix Posts: 1,116Dev
    edited January 19
    At this point the only functionality of a pet respec token would be to erase all training and randomly reassign base stats to a creature according to the ranges in the spawn template.  What is usually asked for in this context (a refund of scrolls / training points) is not possible.  This is why we encourage pet training enthusiasts to utilize the planning tools available through various means.
  • SkettSkett Posts: 1,383
    thanks for clarifying that
  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,243
    BOOM!!!  TY @Kyronix
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 1,977
    Kyronix said:
    At this point the only functionality of a pet respec token would be to erase all training and randomly reassign base stats to a creature according to the ranges in the spawn template.  What is usually asked for in this context (a refund of scrolls / training points) is not possible.  This is why we encourage pet training enthusiasts to utilize the planning tools available through various means.
    Strangely enough this is exactly all we're asking for...
  • looploop Posts: 302
    Grimbeard said:
    Kyronix said:
    At this point the only functionality of a pet respec token would be to erase all training and randomly reassign base stats to a creature according to the ranges in the spawn template.  What is usually asked for in this context (a refund of scrolls / training points) is not possible.  This is why we encourage pet training enthusiasts to utilize the planning tools available through various means.
    Strangely enough this is exactly all we're asking for...
    Functionally, not much difference than just taming a new pet and would likely lead to new issues. When considering mechanics that encourage gameplay (going out and taming a new pet) vs mechanics that bypass gameplay (using your credit card to reroll your pet), I think we should favor the former.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 1,977
    loop said:
    Grimbeard said:
    Kyronix said:
    At this point the only functionality of a pet respec token would be to erase all training and randomly reassign base stats to a creature according to the ranges in the spawn template.  What is usually asked for in this context (a refund of scrolls / training points) is not possible.  This is why we encourage pet training enthusiasts to utilize the planning tools available through various means.
    Strangely enough this is exactly all we're asking for...
    Functionally, not much difference than just taming a new pet and would likely lead to new issues. When considering mechanics that encourage gameplay (going out and taming a new pet) vs mechanics that bypass gameplay (using your credit card to reroll your pet), I think we should favor the former.
    Can't just go out and tame a bane now can you 
  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,019
    edited January 19
    Grimbeard said:
    loop said:
    Grimbeard said:
    Kyronix said:
    At this point the only functionality of a pet respec token would be to erase all training and randomly reassign base stats to a creature according to the ranges in the spawn template.  What is usually asked for in this context (a refund of scrolls / training points) is not possible.  This is why we encourage pet training enthusiasts to utilize the planning tools available through various means.
    Strangely enough this is exactly all we're asking for...
    Functionally, not much difference than just taming a new pet and would likely lead to new issues. When considering mechanics that encourage gameplay (going out and taming a new pet) vs mechanics that bypass gameplay (using your credit card to reroll your pet), I think we should favor the former.
    Can't just go out and tame a bane now can you 
    And when you re roll that Bane you don't have, it would be a new shiny 4 slot pet. Just like the Wildfire Ostards Kyronix tried to make.

    And no, players want scrolls back also.

    May as well make  sword and armor re roll tokens if you don't get scrolls back.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 1,977
    Pawain said:
    Grimbeard said:
    loop said:
    Grimbeard said:
    Kyronix said:
    At this point the only functionality of a pet respec token would be to erase all training and randomly reassign base stats to a creature according to the ranges in the spawn template.  What is usually asked for in this context (a refund of scrolls / training points) is not possible.  This is why we encourage pet training enthusiasts to utilize the planning tools available through various means.
    Strangely enough this is exactly all we're asking for...
    Functionally, not much difference than just taming a new pet and would likely lead to new issues. When considering mechanics that encourage gameplay (going out and taming a new pet) vs mechanics that bypass gameplay (using your credit card to reroll your pet), I think we should favor the former.
    Can't just go out and tame a bane now can you 
    And when you re roll that Bane you don't have, it would be a new shiny 4 slot pet. Just like the Wildfire Ostards Kyronix tried to make.

    And no, players want scrolls back also.

    May as well make  sword and armor re roll tokens if you don't get scrolls back.
    See it is possible and oddly enough you could just choose to not buy or use if available..
  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,019
    Grimbeard said:
    Pawain said:
    Grimbeard said:
    loop said:
    Grimbeard said:
    Kyronix said:
    At this point the only functionality of a pet respec token would be to erase all training and randomly reassign base stats to a creature according to the ranges in the spawn template.  What is usually asked for in this context (a refund of scrolls / training points) is not possible.  This is why we encourage pet training enthusiasts to utilize the planning tools available through various means.
    Strangely enough this is exactly all we're asking for...
    Functionally, not much difference than just taming a new pet and would likely lead to new issues. When considering mechanics that encourage gameplay (going out and taming a new pet) vs mechanics that bypass gameplay (using your credit card to reroll your pet), I think we should favor the former.
    Can't just go out and tame a bane now can you 
    And when you re roll that Bane you don't have, it would be a new shiny 4 slot pet. Just like the Wildfire Ostards Kyronix tried to make.

    And no, players want scrolls back also.

    May as well make  sword and armor re roll tokens if you don't get scrolls back.
    See it is possible and oddly enough you could just choose to not buy or use if available..
    I said it was possible Stop trolling.

    Of course they could make a token to re roll a pet.  They do not want to.  There are many things they do not choose to do.  

    Liike I said, they chose not to do it.  



    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • KyronixKyronix Posts: 1,116Dev
    edited January 20
    Grimbeard said:
    Kyronix said:
    At this point the only functionality of a pet respec token would be to erase all training and randomly reassign base stats to a creature according to the ranges in the spawn template.  What is usually asked for in this context (a refund of scrolls / training points) is not possible.  This is why we encourage pet training enthusiasts to utilize the planning tools available through various means.
    Strangely enough this is exactly all we're asking for...
    Why wouldn’t you just tame a new creature at this point?  Unless the individual pet has sentimental / rare value it’d be like getting a fresh roll…the consensus on what a pet respec token would do does not align with what you’ve posted…
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 1,977
    Kyronix said:
    Grimbeard said:
    Kyronix said:
    At this point the only functionality of a pet respec token would be to erase all training and randomly reassign base stats to a creature according to the ranges in the spawn template.  What is usually asked for in this context (a refund of scrolls / training points) is not possible.  This is why we encourage pet training enthusiasts to utilize the planning tools available through various means.
    Strangely enough this is exactly all we're asking for...
    Why wouldn’t you just tame a new creature at this point?  Unless the individual pet has sentimental / rare value it’d be like getting a fresh roll…the consensus on what a pet respec token would do does not align with what you’ve posted…
    Well in my case a severely messed up Bane but i also have many rarer color Cu and hiyru I tamed long ago I'd like to fix now that I know what I'm doing. Let me ask if many are willing to pay 20 bucks why wouldn't you..
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