Impossible to beat house placement scripters??
Hi,
Over the last couple of days I have been actively trying to place a house on Atlantic.
IDOC announcements makes it easy to know about open spots - this is great!
However I have found that it seems that there is this one guy that seems to place at every idoc site and immediately there after sell it (Its the same contact details on all signs).
I dont see a problem in this, its a good income I guess. The problem I see is that it is impossible to beat this scripter without cheating/scripting yourself.
After first try some days ago, I learned that you could check for ability to place by casting recall, if this works, then the spot is open for placement.
So I made a macro in EC (Not using any 3rd party tools) to just stand in the spot and cast recall.
For 3 idocs (2 yesterday evening and 1 this morning), my dude was spamming recall nonstop, but even before my first recall was starting to cast, the house was down - BOOM.
Then I figured that this guy cant be checking with recall as I do as it would be highly unlikely that he would be so fast.
I went on and searched a bit and found this information:
"When the house collapse an invisible tile is placed at the SW corner of the previous , also known as "no draw" tile. That tile contain the info of when the area will be available to replot. There is quite a few people using a script that can read that tile and when the tile vanish, they can replot the house in .0000001 sec."
If this is truly the case, then "normal" players using the normal clients, will never have a chance to place a house if a scripter is about.
Could we think of some alternative solutions to this? Some kind of script prevention by making it truly random? Then everyone would have a chance as you cant just use the house tool over and over before it goes into cooldown.
Brainstorming welcome here
Thanks for listening.
(I don't expect or demand to have a 18x18, I just expect everyone to have a fair chance of getting it without cheating involved - if possible)
Over the last couple of days I have been actively trying to place a house on Atlantic.
IDOC announcements makes it easy to know about open spots - this is great!
However I have found that it seems that there is this one guy that seems to place at every idoc site and immediately there after sell it (Its the same contact details on all signs).
I dont see a problem in this, its a good income I guess. The problem I see is that it is impossible to beat this scripter without cheating/scripting yourself.
After first try some days ago, I learned that you could check for ability to place by casting recall, if this works, then the spot is open for placement.
So I made a macro in EC (Not using any 3rd party tools) to just stand in the spot and cast recall.
For 3 idocs (2 yesterday evening and 1 this morning), my dude was spamming recall nonstop, but even before my first recall was starting to cast, the house was down - BOOM.
Then I figured that this guy cant be checking with recall as I do as it would be highly unlikely that he would be so fast.
I went on and searched a bit and found this information:
"When the house collapse an invisible tile is placed at the SW corner of the previous , also known as "no draw" tile. That tile contain the info of when the area will be available to replot. There is quite a few people using a script that can read that tile and when the tile vanish, they can replot the house in .0000001 sec."
If this is truly the case, then "normal" players using the normal clients, will never have a chance to place a house if a scripter is about.
Could we think of some alternative solutions to this? Some kind of script prevention by making it truly random? Then everyone would have a chance as you cant just use the house tool over and over before it goes into cooldown.
Brainstorming welcome here
Thanks for listening.
(I don't expect or demand to have a 18x18, I just expect everyone to have a fair chance of getting it without cheating involved - if possible)
Zayin: Paladin
Mort: Mystic Mage
Siw: Tamer
Mort: Mystic Mage
Siw: Tamer
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As Mort and I are guildies, I have to completely back him up ofc.
The way I did it, was ask in general chat if anyone knew of a free small house spot, and someone did, they showed it to me for free, and bingo I got a tiny Trammel vendor house on Atlantic which suits me fine.
But I think Mort has written that up very well, and explained the issue well.
I also placed myself a 12*14 house which is actually more than I need on Atlantic as it is not my main shard. When I placed this house there was not a scripter there trying to place.
I guess they only go for the maximum secures or bigger houses as they sell for multiple Ps on Atlantic.
But doing these 3 maximum secures idocs over a short period of time really showed me how effective that script is that he is running.
As long as it is possible to script house placement like this, all larger houses (At least in tram ruleset) will fall into the hands of these scripters and afterwards the gold is probably sold on the gold seller sites (Just speculating here).
Mort: Mystic Mage
Siw: Tamer
The second option is a ticket system (like the houses given away in Underworld). However, this still favors house brokers that have more accounts than the average person to get more of the tickets.
Either way is a better method then what we have now. There are people making an actual living off of placing and selling houses for gold that they sell for money. 20 plat for a keep or castle is $1800 USD. Not bad if you can place one or two of those a month and a dozen 18x18's at 3plat in between.
But I guess in the end even veterans wont keep opening accounts just to have houses on them, so maybe after a while the market is better and the gold sellers wont control all larger housing on the shards. At least as you say, the gold is deleted out of the economy.
Great ideas. This is what I was looking for! Thanks
Mort: Mystic Mage
Siw: Tamer
it s been operating like this since this summer and nothing is done.... they hijack house price x3 and make a very good living from it...
Mort: Mystic Mage
Siw: Tamer
Please make the Grizzled Mare a 5 slot mount, it's incredibly rare and deserves it. Some of us have been waiting a long time for this simple addition.
Zayin_Mort tried to be faster than others and now unhappy that somebody is faster.
dvvid this is exactly what I was talking in other topic about "someone in need". You and Zayin_mort only will be happy if You will get this plot. Otherwise doesnt matter who got it- he is a scripter.
Also they turned house item off so you are incorrect, but funny.
According to him, he is mad and took his crayons home so he will not post here anymore.
Your clutter doesn’t just affect the area around your house, it affects the entire server. The fact that these rare items have to exist to be “owned” also makes it harder to scrub Frankenstein code.
Mort: Mystic Mage
Siw: Tamer
deleted, cant be bothered.
Lets sport the idea that he is cheating - do you find it ok that by cheating one person (Maybe more) are able to replace all houses, sell them for a ton of gold and then turn that gold into money on a gold seller site?
Wouldnt some of the suggestions above with auction, raffle or actual real random placement time be better?
Mort: Mystic Mage
Siw: Tamer
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