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Samp, Dropping Bushido for Healing?

LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,019
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Can anyone point to any threads where building a sampire with healing skill is being considered?

Thanks!
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  • Sirius1300Sirius1300 Posts: 2
    I can't point to a thread, but I made this switch years ago. Went to healing, almost as a back up to Life Leetch on my axes. When these axes wear out, I'm going to try using the whetstones to remove DI. Then run all three Leetch's, hit area spell, and Super Slayer. I'm still not sure if I am going to go all three Leetch's on the bladed staff or going to try hit lower attack and hit lower defense. 
  • LarisaLarisa Posts: 1,230
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    I made the switch during the Tokuno event. It works very well.

  • LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,019
    edited February 27
    Awesome information! Thanks so much you two!

    Was talking to a player who was saying fencing / whip would offer WW and AP. Any thoughts on that? Or thoughts on using swords / whip just for the WW?
  • JamesJames Posts: 94
    LilyGrace said:
    Awesome information! Thanks so much you two!

    Was talking to a player who was saying fencing / whip would offer WW and AP. Any thoughts on that? Or thoughts on using swords / whip just for the WW?
    I’m going to try the new Fork(s) from the current event.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,651
    It's a huge imbalance issue the fastest one hand weapon can not touch the damage output of a two handed this should be balanced by the two-handed weapon being slower but they can still easily reach max swing speed the one handed weapons need a damage boost or slow the two-handed weapons down tremendously 
  • LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,019
    James said:
    LilyGrace said:
    Awesome information! Thanks so much you two!

    Was talking to a player who was saying fencing / whip would offer WW and AP. Any thoughts on that? Or thoughts on using swords / whip just for the WW?
    I’m going to try the new Fork(s) from the current event.

    That could be some fun. I had a character years ago that use a war fork of vanquishing. I loved that thing! I loved the sound it made when it struck. :D
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,645
    edited February 27
    Grimbeard said:
    It's a huge imbalance issue the fastest one hand weapon can not touch the damage output of a two handed this should be balanced by the two-handed weapon being slower but they can still easily reach max swing speed the one handed weapons need a damage boost or slow the two-handed weapons down tremendously 
    The balancer is the shield.

    How much ssi, dci, hci do most players put on a melee weapon currently? None

    You can have a shield with all those things. If you don't use a shield you have to get those things elsewhere.

    Shields now have a lot more things than the old basics.

    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • SkettSkett Posts: 1,715
    Grimbeard said:
    It's a huge imbalance issue the fastest one hand weapon can not touch the damage output of a two handed this should be balanced by the two-handed weapon being slower but they can still easily reach max swing speed the one handed weapons need a damage boost or slow the two-handed weapons down tremendously 

    I completely agree with this and parry needs fixed its been broke for many years now
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,645
    Grimbeard said:
    It's a huge imbalance issue the fastest one hand weapon can not touch the damage output of a two handed 
    You are fabricating.  These are the one hand and 2 hand AI weapons for swords.  One of them gets a ton of bonus stats.  

    The one hand or the 2 hand does more damage?


    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,651
    Pawain said:
    Grimbeard said:
    It's a huge imbalance issue the fastest one hand weapon can not touch the damage output of a two handed 
    You are fabricating.  These are the one hand and 2 hand AI weapons for swords.  One of them gets a ton of bonus stats.  

    The one hand or the 2 hand does more damage?


    What people use is all the proof I need. 99.9%  use double axe and bladed staff end of story. no singe handed weapon with like special moves can come close to the damage output 
  • SkettSkett Posts: 1,715
    ;)

  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,645
    edited February 27
    Grimbeard said:
    Pawain said:
    Grimbeard said:
    It's a huge imbalance issue the fastest one hand weapon can not touch the damage output of a two handed 
    You are fabricating.  These are the one hand and 2 hand AI weapons for swords.  One of them gets a ton of bonus stats.  

    The one hand or the 2 hand does more damage?


    What people use is all the proof I need. 99.9%  use double axe and bladed staff end of story. no singe handed weapon with like special moves can come close to the damage output 
    These two weapons both have Armor Ignore.
     Umm the one hand AI weapon does more damage.  Do you know how to read a stat sheet?

    Many players have Bushido and a shield cancels that defense out so they don't use a shield.
    (you learned that over on stratics just yesterday)

    But they have to make up for it with SSI, DCI, SS, DI on other equipment.

    We can make choices in UO, its not cookie cutter.

    You want to force everyone to use a 1 handed weapon because you think 2 handers do more damage, which is not always correct.  As I am showing you.

    What what you see proves nothing other than players use Busido.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • looploop Posts: 480
    LilyGrace said:
    Awesome information! Thanks so much you two!

    Was talking to a player who was saying fencing / whip would offer WW and AP. Any thoughts on that? Or thoughts on using swords / whip just for the WW?
    I suppose that one template would be:

    Wep 120
    Tact 120
    Resist 120
    Necro 100
    Heal 100
    Anat 100
    Parry at least 80

    I feel the swords mastery and mace mastery are more useful than fencing. I believe you can’t use armor pierce without Bushido. Swords gives you one more WW option with the Radiant Scimitar.

    You would not be a sampire but a bandypire!
  • LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,019
    Hi Loop, I wonder if he said Armor Ignore and I thought Armor Pierce? That's very possible.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,645
    LilyGrace said:
    Hi Loop, I wonder if he said Armor Ignore and I thought Armor Pierce? That's very possible.
    Fencing whip does WW and AP.  You need 50 of Bushido or Ninja for AP.

    The whips are mainly used for the WW.  That's the only 1 handed WW weapon for Fencing and Macing.  That's why they made whips, those melee skills had no 1 handed WW weapon.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,645
    The new forks have greatly improved the viability of a Fencer.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 596
    edited February 28
    I don't think I've ever said this before, but Pawain is completely correct. Having an entire extra item slot to pack with stats in the form of a shield is a huge bonus, and the only reason people use two-handers is because bushido stops shields from being able to parry. Grimbeard is just myopically talking out his arse.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,651
    Lord_Nythrax said:
    I don't think I've ever said this before, but Pawain is completely correct. Having an entire extra item slot to pack with stats in the form of a shield is a huge bonus, and the only reason people use two-handers is because bushido stops shields from being able to parry. Grimbeard is just myopically talking out his arse.
    BS we all know DPS is king and no amount of stats on a shield changes that while I am using my radiant scimitar with all my extra stats Joe sampire has mowed done dozens more monsters and again just look at what is being used....
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,645
    Grimbeard said:
    Lord_Nythrax said:
    I don't think I've ever said this before, but Pawain is completely correct. Having an entire extra item slot to pack with stats in the form of a shield is a huge bonus, and the only reason people use two-handers is because bushido stops shields from being able to parry. Grimbeard is just myopically talking out his arse.
    BS we all know DPS is king and no amount of stats on a shield changes that while I am using my radiant scimitar with all my extra stats Joe sampire has mowed done dozens more monsters and again just look at what is being used....
    So you just ignore the fact that the 1 handed sword weapon for AI does more damage than the 2 handed one.  

    Just going to keep spreading false information. 
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,651
    edited February 28
    Go ahead and post pictures of all the sampires using these weapons 
    And to clarify I'm talking double axe vs whip or scimitar 
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,645
    edited February 28
    Grimbeard said:
    Go ahead and post pictures of all the sampires using these weapons 
    And to clarify I'm talking double axe vs whip or scimitar 
    That's a choice you make in that case.  Do you want more stats for less damage trade off.

    Before the event armor, that made a large difference.  Now we get 150 str pretty easy.

    Would you rather have cookie cutter templates only?

    Also you are learning why you chop down a tree with an axe instead of a sword. 

    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,651
    Pawain said:
    Grimbeard said:
    Go ahead and post pictures of all the sampires using these weapons 
    And to clarify I'm talking double axe vs whip or scimitar 
    That's a choice you make in that case.  Do you want more stats for less damage trade off.

    Before the event armor, that made a large difference.  Now we get 150 str pretty easy.

    Would you rather have cookie cutter templates only?

    Also you are learning why you chop down a tree with an axe instead of a sword. 

    Much as I thought 
  • keven2002keven2002 Posts: 2,384
    Lord_Nythrax said:
    Having an entire extra item slot to pack with stats in the form of a shield is a huge bonus, and the only reason people use two-handers is because bushido stops shields from being able to parry.

    Grimbeard is just myopically talking out his arse.
    This is a perfect example of why the Devs either limit communication or "don't listen" because certain people have (typically negative) comments on every single thing in the game... and half the time they have no idea what they are talking about.

    Sorry McDougle but I think you are in over your head on this topic... maybe stick to fishing/pirate templates and let the people who actually use Sampires comment on this thread. 
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,651
    keven2002 said:
    Having an entire extra item slot to pack with stats in the form of a shield is a huge bonus, and the only reason people use two-handers is because bushido stops shields from being able to parry.

    Grimbeard is just myopically talking out his arse.
    This is a perfect example of why the Devs either limit communication or "don't listen" because certain people have (typically negative) comments on every single thing in the game... and half the time they have no idea what they are talking about.

    Sorry McDougle but I think you are in over your head on this topic... maybe stick to fishing/pirate templates and let the people who actually use Sampires comment on this thread. 
    Again this is easy look around how many one handed weapon you see In  use at the spawn the occasional whip maybe probably not a single scimitar for it to be a CHOICE  the weapons would have to be equal. The 2 hander should be as hard to reach max swing speed as it is for a 1 hander to reach the same damage as the 2 hander.  Because as I've stated no amount of extra stats makes up for the significantly lower damage output.....
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,645
    Here is fencing.  It only has 2 weapons for Whirlwind.  The Kama 2 hand and the Whip 1 hand.

    Guess which one does more damage and can use a shield.



    @Grimbeard ; Like Keven says, keep to fishing.  
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,651
    Tell me about double axe that's what I see 99.9% of the sampires I see using 
  • SkettSkett Posts: 1,715
    lying eyes I guess im seeing same thing all sampys using dbl axe but i guess its a secret single hand weapon and shield is better
    most powerful players dont use shield why is that ?
  • IniquityIniquity Posts: 27
    edited March 1
    Because you can max out your stat sheet without a shield and have bushido which offers multiple benefits. Such as Lower mana usage on specials, as well as more damage with ww.

    Not to mention you have more weight to imbue two handed weapons, not a huge amount more but it makes a difference.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 596
    Skett said:
    lying eyes I guess im seeing same thing all sampys using dbl axe but i guess its a secret single hand weapon and shield is better
    most powerful players dont use shield why is that ?

    Because shields aren't compatible with bushido. Sampires can't use one without their parry chance being set to practically zero. Seriously, did you guys just fall off the turnip truck or something?
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 596
    Grimbeard said:

    BS we all know DPS is king and no amount of stats on a shield changes that while I am using my radiant scimitar with all my extra stats Joe sampire has mowed done dozens more monsters and again just look at what is being used....

    If you're getting blown out that badly it's not because of three or four points of base damage. You're an incompetent who doesn't even understand why he's getting stunted on, so you've childishly seized on the one thing you happened to visually notice.
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