Powergamers, Casual Gamers and how UO needs non scriptable in-game activities, IMHO...

KroDuK

Oreogl said:

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Here's another problem with these ToTs, possibly a discussion for another thread: these items they're releasing are incredibly powerful, best in slot items, and turn-in points are currently rotting on vendors 500k (or less) per point lol. Good luck as a legitimate player trying to compete with 100's of bots selling this for the lowest price. The economy is currently so tragically destroyed. In almost any other MMO the best in slot high end gear is always account bound. Gee, wonder why they do this? Anyways, a discussion for another time.

Why are you always trying to compete?
Is it worth it, when your only way to win, is by banning all the other players?
Don't you think something is off with your entire attitude if that is the case?
Even in PvP, this is pretty poor behaviour.

I don't even understand how, or why you see yourself as competing.
If you want an item for your characters, go and get them, simple as, that is what I do.
I'm not competing with anyone.

If you want to pvp against me in Felucca, then you are genuinely competing.
Nothing else, up until that point, is competition.
It is just playing the game.

I find the whole concept of competing for gold, in a game, quite shallow to be fair. Play your game, enjoy it. It's not about the gold, this is the issue, your greed shines through, the same as the rest of the complainers. And you are trying to design the game around pure greed?

Where did I ever say I was trying to compete with anyone? What are you even going on about? 

I even highlighted it in bold for you

But seriously, what is your agenda even?

You want to be in a position to get lots of reward items that are worth plats, whilst stopping everyone else from taking part, you want to be top of the tree?
How about, just get what you need, for your characters, spares, and friends? Nothing is stopping you.

What are the Bots doing, that even impacts you in any way at all? The only examples you give, relate to gold - driving the price down - good thing surely for all players (unless you want to sell high to make lots of gold, and stop everyone else).

The answer as I see it, is for you to change your defeatist victim mentality in life, and suddenly, everything is solved.

I'm so curious why you get so defensive when anyone brings up banning players that use clients that are against the tos? Can you not play the game without these crutches? Is your ego so fragile that if you lose in PVP to someone playing fair you break your monitor and keyboard? 

It's quite simple: we want the rules to be enforced  and everyone on an equal playing field. What's so hard to understand?

I'm not being defensive at all.

I have openly asked the Devs, to progress Classic Client on behalf of the pvpers as we do not have a suitable client to use currently.

I want the rules updated - I do not want the rules enforced, as the rules are out of date, this happens you know? What do you think about women not voting? This used to be the rules. People like you, kept trying to enforce them, people like me, said let's move on. Progress.

It is quite simple, stop trying to drag us backwards, stop trying to ban everyone, stop being so authoritarian without taking the whole story into account.

Yes. Every single time someone brings up the cheater clients you magically appear, just like this post, immediately to defend them. You are the embodiment of defensive.

The devs have given you 3 clients, one that is brand new with nice and shiny features. The problem is you want a 'suitable client' ie one that plays the game for you. The devs will never give you such client so you use it as some sort of justification to yourself to continue cheat. 

You made the worst analogy I've ever read in my life. So according to you, every mmo that doesn't allow cheating and a client that has built in full fledged automation is outdated? You're delusional, you know that right?

I appear, because all of you little authoritarian banning witch-hunts, are not thinking about the pvpers, who really do not care about any of your crap.

PVP in every game is a test of skill. May the best player win. Not the best program. Perhaps, all these pvper and yourself should get good? Instead of relying on automation.

PvM Trammies telling PvPers how to PvP, is never going to work.


I've been in your shoes, I know everything you could possibly know.

You try stepping into my shoes, then come back to me.

You can load scripts that automate everything for you. Congratulations. No one cares. 

I don’t really have anything to add.  I just wanted to add another 3 mile column of text to the thread.

 
Oreo

                                                 

Here's my contribution.. if you wonder it's room temp milk-mid stuff. it's in the loop but sitting on the fence..

Pawain

Oreogl said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Here's another problem with these ToTs, possibly a discussion for another thread: these items they're releasing are incredibly powerful, best in slot items, and turn-in points are currently rotting on vendors 500k (or less) per point lol. Good luck as a legitimate player trying to compete with 100's of bots selling this for the lowest price. The economy is currently so tragically destroyed. In almost any other MMO the best in slot high end gear is always account bound. Gee, wonder why they do this? Anyways, a discussion for another time.

Why are you always trying to compete?
Is it worth it, when your only way to win, is by banning all the other players?
Don't you think something is off with your entire attitude if that is the case?
Even in PvP, this is pretty poor behaviour.

I don't even understand how, or why you see yourself as competing.
If you want an item for your characters, go and get them, simple as, that is what I do.
I'm not competing with anyone.

If you want to pvp against me in Felucca, then you are genuinely competing.
Nothing else, up until that point, is competition.
It is just playing the game.

I find the whole concept of competing for gold, in a game, quite shallow to be fair. Play your game, enjoy it. It's not about the gold, this is the issue, your greed shines through, the same as the rest of the complainers. And you are trying to design the game around pure greed?

Where did I ever say I was trying to compete with anyone? What are you even going on about? 

I even highlighted it in bold for you

But seriously, what is your agenda even?

You want to be in a position to get lots of reward items that are worth plats, whilst stopping everyone else from taking part, you want to be top of the tree?
How about, just get what you need, for your characters, spares, and friends? Nothing is stopping you.

What are the Bots doing, that even impacts you in any way at all? The only examples you give, relate to gold - driving the price down - good thing surely for all players (unless you want to sell high to make lots of gold, and stop everyone else).

The answer as I see it, is for you to change your defeatist victim mentality in life, and suddenly, everything is solved.

I'm so curious why you get so defensive when anyone brings up banning players that use clients that are against the tos? Can you not play the game without these crutches? Is your ego so fragile that if you lose in PVP to someone playing fair you break your monitor and keyboard? 

It's quite simple: we want the rules to be enforced  and everyone on an equal playing field. What's so hard to understand?

I'm not being defensive at all.

I have openly asked the Devs, to progress Classic Client on behalf of the pvpers as we do not have a suitable client to use currently.

I want the rules updated - I do not want the rules enforced, as the rules are out of date, this happens you know? What do you think about women not voting? This used to be the rules. People like you, kept trying to enforce them, people like me, said let's move on. Progress.

It is quite simple, stop trying to drag us backwards, stop trying to ban everyone, stop being so authoritarian without taking the whole story into account.

Yes. Every single time someone brings up the cheater clients you magically appear, just like this post, immediately to defend them. You are the embodiment of defensive.

The devs have given you 3 clients, one that is brand new with nice and shiny features. The problem is you want a 'suitable client' ie one that plays the game for you. The devs will never give you such client so you use it as some sort of justification to yourself to continue cheat. 

You made the worst analogy I've ever read in my life. So according to you, every mmo that doesn't allow cheating and a client that has built in full fledged automation is outdated? You're delusional, you know that right?

I appear, because all of you little authoritarian banning witch-hunts, are not thinking about the pvpers, who really do not care about any of your crap.

PVP in every game is a test of skill. May the best player win. Not the best program. Perhaps, all these pvper and yourself should get good? Instead of relying on automation.

PvM Trammies telling PvPers how to PvP, is never going to work.


I've been in your shoes, I know everything you could possibly know.

You try stepping into my shoes, then come back to me.

You can load scripts that automate everything for you. Congratulations. No one cares. 

I don’t really have anything to add.  I just wanted to add another 3 mile column of text to the thread.

 
Oreo

Ohh that's your handle.  I was making it one word. 

I can't tell what this thread is about.

KroDuK

Pawain said:

Oreogl said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Here's another problem with these ToTs, possibly a discussion for another thread: these items they're releasing are incredibly powerful, best in slot items, and turn-in points are currently rotting on vendors 500k (or less) per point lol. Good luck as a legitimate player trying to compete with 100's of bots selling this for the lowest price. The economy is currently so tragically destroyed. In almost any other MMO the best in slot high end gear is always account bound. Gee, wonder why they do this? Anyways, a discussion for another time.

Why are you always trying to compete?
Is it worth it, when your only way to win, is by banning all the other players?
Don't you think something is off with your entire attitude if that is the case?
Even in PvP, this is pretty poor behaviour.

I don't even understand how, or why you see yourself as competing.
If you want an item for your characters, go and get them, simple as, that is what I do.
I'm not competing with anyone.

If you want to pvp against me in Felucca, then you are genuinely competing.
Nothing else, up until that point, is competition.
It is just playing the game.

I find the whole concept of competing for gold, in a game, quite shallow to be fair. Play your game, enjoy it. It's not about the gold, this is the issue, your greed shines through, the same as the rest of the complainers. And you are trying to design the game around pure greed?

Where did I ever say I was trying to compete with anyone? What are you even going on about? 

I even highlighted it in bold for you

But seriously, what is your agenda even?

You want to be in a position to get lots of reward items that are worth plats, whilst stopping everyone else from taking part, you want to be top of the tree?
How about, just get what you need, for your characters, spares, and friends? Nothing is stopping you.

What are the Bots doing, that even impacts you in any way at all? The only examples you give, relate to gold - driving the price down - good thing surely for all players (unless you want to sell high to make lots of gold, and stop everyone else).

The answer as I see it, is for you to change your defeatist victim mentality in life, and suddenly, everything is solved.

I'm so curious why you get so defensive when anyone brings up banning players that use clients that are against the tos? Can you not play the game without these crutches? Is your ego so fragile that if you lose in PVP to someone playing fair you break your monitor and keyboard? 

It's quite simple: we want the rules to be enforced  and everyone on an equal playing field. What's so hard to understand?

I'm not being defensive at all.

I have openly asked the Devs, to progress Classic Client on behalf of the pvpers as we do not have a suitable client to use currently.

I want the rules updated - I do not want the rules enforced, as the rules are out of date, this happens you know? What do you think about women not voting? This used to be the rules. People like you, kept trying to enforce them, people like me, said let's move on. Progress.

It is quite simple, stop trying to drag us backwards, stop trying to ban everyone, stop being so authoritarian without taking the whole story into account.

Yes. Every single time someone brings up the cheater clients you magically appear, just like this post, immediately to defend them. You are the embodiment of defensive.

The devs have given you 3 clients, one that is brand new with nice and shiny features. The problem is you want a 'suitable client' ie one that plays the game for you. The devs will never give you such client so you use it as some sort of justification to yourself to continue cheat. 

You made the worst analogy I've ever read in my life. So according to you, every mmo that doesn't allow cheating and a client that has built in full fledged automation is outdated? You're delusional, you know that right?

I appear, because all of you little authoritarian banning witch-hunts, are not thinking about the pvpers, who really do not care about any of your crap.

PVP in every game is a test of skill. May the best player win. Not the best program. Perhaps, all these pvper and yourself should get good? Instead of relying on automation.

PvM Trammies telling PvPers how to PvP, is never going to work.


I've been in your shoes, I know everything you could possibly know.

You try stepping into my shoes, then come back to me.

You can load scripts that automate everything for you. Congratulations. No one cares. 

I don’t really have anything to add.  I just wanted to add another 3 mile column of text to the thread.

 
Oreo

Ohh that's your handle.  I was making it one word. 

I can't tell what this thread is about.

It's about finding the perfect match for Oreo.. I couldn't find my uno card game.

PS: it's in the title.. to make UO a better game by working on the foundation.. the OP idea/point is... so yeah.. we now looking for Oreo perfect match.. I believe I win. it's a GG no re.. even if u trying to evict me from this inception..

Oreogl

Pawain said:

Oreogl said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Here's another problem with these ToTs, possibly a discussion for another thread: these items they're releasing are incredibly powerful, best in slot items, and turn-in points are currently rotting on vendors 500k (or less) per point lol. Good luck as a legitimate player trying to compete with 100's of bots selling this for the lowest price. The economy is currently so tragically destroyed. In almost any other MMO the best in slot high end gear is always account bound. Gee, wonder why they do this? Anyways, a discussion for another time.

Why are you always trying to compete?
Is it worth it, when your only way to win, is by banning all the other players?
Don't you think something is off with your entire attitude if that is the case?
Even in PvP, this is pretty poor behaviour.

I don't even understand how, or why you see yourself as competing.
If you want an item for your characters, go and get them, simple as, that is what I do.
I'm not competing with anyone.

If you want to pvp against me in Felucca, then you are genuinely competing.
Nothing else, up until that point, is competition.
It is just playing the game.

I find the whole concept of competing for gold, in a game, quite shallow to be fair. Play your game, enjoy it. It's not about the gold, this is the issue, your greed shines through, the same as the rest of the complainers. And you are trying to design the game around pure greed?

Where did I ever say I was trying to compete with anyone? What are you even going on about? 

I even highlighted it in bold for you

But seriously, what is your agenda even?

You want to be in a position to get lots of reward items that are worth plats, whilst stopping everyone else from taking part, you want to be top of the tree?
How about, just get what you need, for your characters, spares, and friends? Nothing is stopping you.

What are the Bots doing, that even impacts you in any way at all? The only examples you give, relate to gold - driving the price down - good thing surely for all players (unless you want to sell high to make lots of gold, and stop everyone else).

The answer as I see it, is for you to change your defeatist victim mentality in life, and suddenly, everything is solved.

I'm so curious why you get so defensive when anyone brings up banning players that use clients that are against the tos? Can you not play the game without these crutches? Is your ego so fragile that if you lose in PVP to someone playing fair you break your monitor and keyboard? 

It's quite simple: we want the rules to be enforced  and everyone on an equal playing field. What's so hard to understand?

I'm not being defensive at all.

I have openly asked the Devs, to progress Classic Client on behalf of the pvpers as we do not have a suitable client to use currently.

I want the rules updated - I do not want the rules enforced, as the rules are out of date, this happens you know? What do you think about women not voting? This used to be the rules. People like you, kept trying to enforce them, people like me, said let's move on. Progress.

It is quite simple, stop trying to drag us backwards, stop trying to ban everyone, stop being so authoritarian without taking the whole story into account.

Yes. Every single time someone brings up the cheater clients you magically appear, just like this post, immediately to defend them. You are the embodiment of defensive.

The devs have given you 3 clients, one that is brand new with nice and shiny features. The problem is you want a 'suitable client' ie one that plays the game for you. The devs will never give you such client so you use it as some sort of justification to yourself to continue cheat. 

You made the worst analogy I've ever read in my life. So according to you, every mmo that doesn't allow cheating and a client that has built in full fledged automation is outdated? You're delusional, you know that right?

I appear, because all of you little authoritarian banning witch-hunts, are not thinking about the pvpers, who really do not care about any of your crap.

PVP in every game is a test of skill. May the best player win. Not the best program. Perhaps, all these pvper and yourself should get good? Instead of relying on automation.

PvM Trammies telling PvPers how to PvP, is never going to work.


I've been in your shoes, I know everything you could possibly know.

You try stepping into my shoes, then come back to me.

You can load scripts that automate everything for you. Congratulations. No one cares. 

I don’t really have anything to add.  I just wanted to add another 3 mile column of text to the thread.

 
Oreo

Ohh that's your handle.  I was making it one word. 

I can't tell what this thread is about.

Yeah one of my first characters was a tamer named  Oreo, on Great Lakes, so I used Oreogl as my username.  I suppose using OreoGL could have been more clear but this was decades ago (when I started using it).

Lord_Nythrax

Oreogl said:

Pawain said:

Oreogl said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Here's another problem with these ToTs, possibly a discussion for another thread: these items they're releasing are incredibly powerful, best in slot items, and turn-in points are currently rotting on vendors 500k (or less) per point lol. Good luck as a legitimate player trying to compete with 100's of bots selling this for the lowest price. The economy is currently so tragically destroyed. In almost any other MMO the best in slot high end gear is always account bound. Gee, wonder why they do this? Anyways, a discussion for another time.

Why are you always trying to compete?
Is it worth it, when your only way to win, is by banning all the other players?
Don't you think something is off with your entire attitude if that is the case?
Even in PvP, this is pretty poor behaviour.

I don't even understand how, or why you see yourself as competing.
If you want an item for your characters, go and get them, simple as, that is what I do.
I'm not competing with anyone.

If you want to pvp against me in Felucca, then you are genuinely competing.
Nothing else, up until that point, is competition.
It is just playing the game.

I find the whole concept of competing for gold, in a game, quite shallow to be fair. Play your game, enjoy it. It's not about the gold, this is the issue, your greed shines through, the same as the rest of the complainers. And you are trying to design the game around pure greed?

Where did I ever say I was trying to compete with anyone? What are you even going on about? 

I even highlighted it in bold for you

But seriously, what is your agenda even?

You want to be in a position to get lots of reward items that are worth plats, whilst stopping everyone else from taking part, you want to be top of the tree?
How about, just get what you need, for your characters, spares, and friends? Nothing is stopping you.

What are the Bots doing, that even impacts you in any way at all? The only examples you give, relate to gold - driving the price down - good thing surely for all players (unless you want to sell high to make lots of gold, and stop everyone else).

The answer as I see it, is for you to change your defeatist victim mentality in life, and suddenly, everything is solved.

I'm so curious why you get so defensive when anyone brings up banning players that use clients that are against the tos? Can you not play the game without these crutches? Is your ego so fragile that if you lose in PVP to someone playing fair you break your monitor and keyboard? 

It's quite simple: we want the rules to be enforced  and everyone on an equal playing field. What's so hard to understand?

I'm not being defensive at all.

I have openly asked the Devs, to progress Classic Client on behalf of the pvpers as we do not have a suitable client to use currently.

I want the rules updated - I do not want the rules enforced, as the rules are out of date, this happens you know? What do you think about women not voting? This used to be the rules. People like you, kept trying to enforce them, people like me, said let's move on. Progress.

It is quite simple, stop trying to drag us backwards, stop trying to ban everyone, stop being so authoritarian without taking the whole story into account.

Yes. Every single time someone brings up the cheater clients you magically appear, just like this post, immediately to defend them. You are the embodiment of defensive.

The devs have given you 3 clients, one that is brand new with nice and shiny features. The problem is you want a 'suitable client' ie one that plays the game for you. The devs will never give you such client so you use it as some sort of justification to yourself to continue cheat. 

You made the worst analogy I've ever read in my life. So according to you, every mmo that doesn't allow cheating and a client that has built in full fledged automation is outdated? You're delusional, you know that right?

I appear, because all of you little authoritarian banning witch-hunts, are not thinking about the pvpers, who really do not care about any of your crap.

PVP in every game is a test of skill. May the best player win. Not the best program. Perhaps, all these pvper and yourself should get good? Instead of relying on automation.

PvM Trammies telling PvPers how to PvP, is never going to work.


I've been in your shoes, I know everything you could possibly know.

You try stepping into my shoes, then come back to me.

You can load scripts that automate everything for you. Congratulations. No one cares. 

I don’t really have anything to add.  I just wanted to add another 3 mile column of text to the thread.

 
Oreo

Ohh that's your handle.  I was making it one word. 

I can't tell what this thread is about.

Yeah one of my first characters was a tamer named  Oreo, on Great Lakes, so I used Oreogl as my username.  I suppose using OreoGL could have been more clear but this was decades ago (when I started using it).

I bet with enough nested quotes we travel through time or something.

KroDuK

Lord_Nythrax said:

Oreogl said:

Pawain said:

Oreogl said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Here's another problem with these ToTs, possibly a discussion for another thread: these items they're releasing are incredibly powerful, best in slot items, and turn-in points are currently rotting on vendors 500k (or less) per point lol. Good luck as a legitimate player trying to compete with 100's of bots selling this for the lowest price. The economy is currently so tragically destroyed. In almost any other MMO the best in slot high end gear is always account bound. Gee, wonder why they do this? Anyways, a discussion for another time.

Why are you always trying to compete?
Is it worth it, when your only way to win, is by banning all the other players?
Don't you think something is off with your entire attitude if that is the case?
Even in PvP, this is pretty poor behaviour.

I don't even understand how, or why you see yourself as competing.
If you want an item for your characters, go and get them, simple as, that is what I do.
I'm not competing with anyone.

If you want to pvp against me in Felucca, then you are genuinely competing.
Nothing else, up until that point, is competition.
It is just playing the game.

I find the whole concept of competing for gold, in a game, quite shallow to be fair. Play your game, enjoy it. It's not about the gold, this is the issue, your greed shines through, the same as the rest of the complainers. And you are trying to design the game around pure greed?

Where did I ever say I was trying to compete with anyone? What are you even going on about? 

I even highlighted it in bold for you

But seriously, what is your agenda even?

You want to be in a position to get lots of reward items that are worth plats, whilst stopping everyone else from taking part, you want to be top of the tree?
How about, just get what you need, for your characters, spares, and friends? Nothing is stopping you.

What are the Bots doing, that even impacts you in any way at all? The only examples you give, relate to gold - driving the price down - good thing surely for all players (unless you want to sell high to make lots of gold, and stop everyone else).

The answer as I see it, is for you to change your defeatist victim mentality in life, and suddenly, everything is solved.

I'm so curious why you get so defensive when anyone brings up banning players that use clients that are against the tos? Can you not play the game without these crutches? Is your ego so fragile that if you lose in PVP to someone playing fair you break your monitor and keyboard? 

It's quite simple: we want the rules to be enforced  and everyone on an equal playing field. What's so hard to understand?

I'm not being defensive at all.

I have openly asked the Devs, to progress Classic Client on behalf of the pvpers as we do not have a suitable client to use currently.

I want the rules updated - I do not want the rules enforced, as the rules are out of date, this happens you know? What do you think about women not voting? This used to be the rules. People like you, kept trying to enforce them, people like me, said let's move on. Progress.

It is quite simple, stop trying to drag us backwards, stop trying to ban everyone, stop being so authoritarian without taking the whole story into account.

Yes. Every single time someone brings up the cheater clients you magically appear, just like this post, immediately to defend them. You are the embodiment of defensive.

The devs have given you 3 clients, one that is brand new with nice and shiny features. The problem is you want a 'suitable client' ie one that plays the game for you. The devs will never give you such client so you use it as some sort of justification to yourself to continue cheat. 

You made the worst analogy I've ever read in my life. So according to you, every mmo that doesn't allow cheating and a client that has built in full fledged automation is outdated? You're delusional, you know that right?

I appear, because all of you little authoritarian banning witch-hunts, are not thinking about the pvpers, who really do not care about any of your crap.

PVP in every game is a test of skill. May the best player win. Not the best program. Perhaps, all these pvper and yourself should get good? Instead of relying on automation.

PvM Trammies telling PvPers how to PvP, is never going to work.


I've been in your shoes, I know everything you could possibly know.

You try stepping into my shoes, then come back to me.

You can load scripts that automate everything for you. Congratulations. No one cares. 

I don’t really have anything to add.  I just wanted to add another 3 mile column of text to the thread.

 
Oreo

Ohh that's your handle.  I was making it one word. 

I can't tell what this thread is about.

Yeah one of my first characters was a tamer named  Oreo, on Great Lakes, so I used Oreogl as my username.  I suppose using OreoGL could have been more clear but this was decades ago (when I started using it).

I bet with enough nested quotes we travel through time or something.

or something like trolling the mods, the powergamers and the casual gamers?
Guiness record still is a thing? i'm down.

Victim_Of_Siege

Oreogl said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Cookie said:

username said:

Here's another problem with these ToTs, possibly a discussion for another thread: these items they're releasing are incredibly powerful, best in slot items, and turn-in points are currently rotting on vendors 500k (or less) per point lol. Good luck as a legitimate player trying to compete with 100's of bots selling this for the lowest price. The economy is currently so tragically destroyed. In almost any other MMO the best in slot high end gear is always account bound. Gee, wonder why they do this? Anyways, a discussion for another time.

Why are you always trying to compete?
Is it worth it, when your only way to win, is by banning all the other players?
Don't you think something is off with your entire attitude if that is the case?
Even in PvP, this is pretty poor behaviour.

I don't even understand how, or why you see yourself as competing.
If you want an item for your characters, go and get them, simple as, that is what I do.
I'm not competing with anyone.

If you want to pvp against me in Felucca, then you are genuinely competing.
Nothing else, up until that point, is competition.
It is just playing the game.

I find the whole concept of competing for gold, in a game, quite shallow to be fair. Play your game, enjoy it. It's not about the gold, this is the issue, your greed shines through, the same as the rest of the complainers. And you are trying to design the game around pure greed?

Where did I ever say I was trying to compete with anyone? What are you even going on about? 

I even highlighted it in bold for you

But seriously, what is your agenda even?

You want to be in a position to get lots of reward items that are worth plats, whilst stopping everyone else from taking part, you want to be top of the tree?
How about, just get what you need, for your characters, spares, and friends? Nothing is stopping you.

What are the Bots doing, that even impacts you in any way at all? The only examples you give, relate to gold - driving the price down - good thing surely for all players (unless you want to sell high to make lots of gold, and stop everyone else).

The answer as I see it, is for you to change your defeatist victim mentality in life, and suddenly, everything is solved.

I'm so curious why you get so defensive when anyone brings up banning players that use clients that are against the tos? Can you not play the game without these crutches? Is your ego so fragile that if you lose in PVP to someone playing fair you break your monitor and keyboard? 

It's quite simple: we want the rules to be enforced  and everyone on an equal playing field. What's so hard to understand?

I'm not being defensive at all.

I have openly asked the Devs, to progress Classic Client on behalf of the pvpers as we do not have a suitable client to use currently.

I want the rules updated - I do not want the rules enforced, as the rules are out of date, this happens you know? What do you think about women not voting? This used to be the rules. People like you, kept trying to enforce them, people like me, said let's move on. Progress.

It is quite simple, stop trying to drag us backwards, stop trying to ban everyone, stop being so authoritarian without taking the whole story into account.

Yes. Every single time someone brings up the cheater clients you magically appear, just like this post, immediately to defend them. You are the embodiment of defensive.

The devs have given you 3 clients, one that is brand new with nice and shiny features. The problem is you want a 'suitable client' ie one that plays the game for you. The devs will never give you such client so you use it as some sort of justification to yourself to continue cheat. 

You made the worst analogy I've ever read in my life. So according to you, every mmo that doesn't allow cheating and a client that has built in full fledged automation is outdated? You're delusional, you know that right?

I appear, because all of you little authoritarian banning witch-hunts, are not thinking about the pvpers, who really do not care about any of your crap.

PVP in every game is a test of skill. May the best player win. Not the best program. Perhaps, all these pvper and yourself should get good? Instead of relying on automation.

PvM Trammies telling PvPers how to PvP, is never going to work.


I've been in your shoes, I know everything you could possibly know.

You try stepping into my shoes, then come back to me.

You can load scripts that automate everything for you. Congratulations. No one cares. 

I don’t really have anything to add.  I just wanted to add another 3 mile column of text to the thread.

 
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My goodness, look at the size of this quote-wall, it's almost as long as a certain posters single posts