Another stab at it?

warra

So with champ spawns you pretty much cannot do them solo with just the pet as your fighting skill against a pk.

the reward system should dispense the scrolls based on who did the build up and then boss too but i digress.

Also if the pk (who's skills and items are attuned for pvp) should die at a fel spawn to pvmers they should corpse drop thier gear. Otherwise what risk is it to them? Sure as heck wasnt time to do the spawn itself nor kill the tamer with no fighting skills?

DolGorath

warra said:

So with champ spawns you pretty much cannot do them solo with just the pet as your fighting skill against a pk.

the reward system should dispense the scrolls based on who did the build up and then boss too but i digress.

Also if the pk (who's skills and items are attuned for pvp) should die at a fel spawn to pvmers they should corpse drop thier gear. Otherwise what risk is it to them? Sure as heck wasnt time to do the spawn itself nor kill the tamer with no fighting skills?

I feel like champ spawns should be reverted to Publish 16 rules. They had a perfectly good system before AOS that incentivized even non-PVPrs to do spawns and anyone that died in the champ area was kicked out and banned from returning for 30 minutes so you could decisively defeat the competition and they would not be able to keep resurrecting and coming back over and over.

Before AOS, champs were full of people and it became a ghost town when AOS launched cause they took away the dungeon ruleset.

https://www.uoguide.com/Publish_16_-_Changes_to_Felucca

Intent

As a brief preface, we’d like to explain the essential goals of the changes listed in this document. The below changes should…

1. Establish an area where non-consensual pvp can thrive for a significant number of UO’s players.
2. Create a risk versus reward model that encourages non-consensual pvp based around resource control rather than profit from the deceased.
3. Provide meaningful and compelling rewards for players that successfully adventure in the specified areas.

Changes to the Dungeons and Lost Land areas of Felucca

In order to establish an area where players can engage in a meaningful struggle for the control of resources without drastically impacting the current play patterns of Felucca’s citizens, the Dungeon and Lost Land areas of Felucca will be modified.

1. When a non-Murderer is killed in the Dungeon/Lost Land areas of Felucca, all of the character’s items other than gold, gems, ingots, ore, leather, hides, wool, wood, boards, and cursed items will remain on their ghost (unlootable).
2. When a Murderer is killed in the Dungeon/LL areas of Felucca, 50% of the character’s items (random result per item) other than gold, gems, ingots, ore, leather, hides, wool, wood, boards, and cursed items will remain on their ghost (unlootable).
3. Any player that dies in the Dungeon/LL areas of Felucca will immediately be given a mandatory “stuck player” option (forced to leave the dungeon and lost land servers). During this process, the player will not be able to hear spoken words (they can send/receive party messages as normal).
4. A player that dies in the Dungeon/LL areas of Felucca will not be able to return to those servers for 30 minutes.
5. Ghosts will be unable to enter the Dungeon/LL areas of Felucca.
6. Players will no longer be able to recall or gate into or out of the Dungeon/LostLand areas of Felucca.
7. The various dungeons of Felucca will be linked to each other via teleporters to help alleviate crowding and bottlenecks.
8. When a player reports a murder, only the long-term murder count will be incremented.
9. If a murderer dies in the Dungeon/LL areas of Felucca, they will not take stat loss upon their next resurrection.
10. When stealing from innocents, thieves will only be able to steal gold and gems in the Dungeon/LL areas of Felucca. Thieves will continue to be able to use the full range of their thieving abilities against consensual-pvp opponents (guild wars, order/chaos, factions).
11. Many Dungeon/LL areas of Felucca will contain “champion regions” (a.k.a. “Evil-in-a-Can”).
12. The various champions of evil and “The Harrower” itself (a new champion monster, not to be confused with the mere “tentacles of the Harrower”) that spawn in Dungeon/LL areas of Felucca will carry special Scrolls of Power (detailed further below).
13. The Minax faction stronghold will be relocated from the lost lands to another location in Felucca.
14. The city of Delucia will no longer be a “faction city”. However, the city of Vesper will become a faction city.

Cookie

warra said:

So with champ spawns you pretty much cannot do them solo with just the pet as your fighting skill against a pk.

the reward system should dispense the scrolls based on who did the build up and then boss too but i digress.

Also if the pk (who's skills and items are attuned for pvp) should die at a fel spawn to pvmers they should corpse drop thier gear. Otherwise what risk is it to them? Sure as heck wasnt time to do the spawn itself nor kill the tamer with no fighting skills?

I don't see the point of any change for these reasons.

Felucca is not meant to be a solo play option.

If the situation is that you've managed to make it solo play, good on you, but the rulesets should not be turning Felucca into Trammel.

warra

okay to use your logic, if we did all the groundwork on the spawn leading up to boss, the pk who is geared to kill other players risks nothing and we risk everything.

Sometimes yu do them solo sometimes in a group.. and the game fails when a pondscum pk enters the fray and for 5 minutes work gets all the rewards.

Cookie

warra said:

okay to use your logic, if we did all the groundwork on the spawn leading up to boss, the pk who is geared to kill other players risks nothing and we risk everything.

Sometimes yu do them solo sometimes in a group.. and the game fails when a pondscum pk enters the fray and for 5 minutes work gets all the rewards.

Instead of pondscum - gamify it.

The PK is not pondscum, the PK is that next level opponent that NPC code has not been able to develop yet.

It's down to you, to go next level to beat it, it's a challenge, how do you do it.

One option, is certainly to team up. Create a team that can handle this situation.

That is entirely the core, and the main storyline of all medieval fantasy, dungeons and dragons etc etc, forever.

This scenario is a scenario that creates the ability to be in this situation. See it as amazing, and a very limited opportunity. You get to be in a team, you get to have roles, you get to win or lose, epic victories, epic fails. This is the point. The stories. The emotion. The fulfilment, on a team scale.

warra

sorry i am not here to debate the mechanics of online rpgs. at the end of the day it is max effort, for zero return. i could sweat out a champ spawn all by myself and a pk can sit at mag docks looking for an easy prey, that is a tamer with no fighting skills, and pounce on me. And take the boss and all the scrolls for five seconds of effort, while i get zero for building it.

Like i said, wanna make it fair? if they die they lose armour/wep items in loot. that would sure as heck make it less easier than them sitting at mag docks listening where this so called game mechanisics tells them to go and hunt a tamer.

Wanna know who needs scrolls the most in this game? A tamer, as ironic as that is.

Cookie

warra said:

sorry i am not here to debate the mechanics of online rpgs. at the end of the day it is max effort, for zero return. i could sweat out a champ spawn all by myself and a pk can sit at mag docks looking for an easy prey, that is a tamer with no fighting skills, and pounce on me. And take the boss and all the scrolls for five seconds of effort, while i get zero for building it.

Like i said, wanna make it fair? if they die they lose armour/wep items in loot. that would sure as heck make it less easier than them sitting at mag docks listening where this so called game mechanisics tells them to go and hunt a tamer.

Wanna know who needs scrolls the most in this game? A tamer, as ironic as that is.

Football is 11vs11.
You don't put 1 player on the pitch, then complain they had too many, and try and restrict them down to 1 player.

Not solo content.
Team content.
Content that should require more than 1 player.
How many ways do I have to say it?