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Vendor Search Seller's Descriptions

RuntRunt Posts: 2
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The power scrolls and primers were a good start but the devs should really look into the rest of the items on vendor search intentionally written to deceive the buyers. Balron Bone Armor, Sentinel's Mempos, Corrupted Paladin Vambraces, and now even the Plunderin' Pirate hats on more than one shard but especially Atlantic. I don't understand how hard it for a GM to respond to a page that someone is scamming and it be easily confirmed, then delete their vendors and give them one warning before they are perma banned. It's understandable that it should be buyer beware, but that is for the occasional item, not pages of these items allowed to go by with no consequences. Please clean this behavior up out of the community. @Kyronix

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  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,005
    There were a lot more yesterday and very obvious.  Today the real one is cheaper than the fakes.



    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • VagabondVagabond Posts: 95
    I loled. As always, this is a "buyers beware" issue, especially on Atlantic.
    It's the "Sellers' description". The seller named it that way, the original name is always the top name ("Mystic bone armor of Vitality").
    I'm confused as to how this can be an issue for people who can read.
    You need help with simple stuff? https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/ -- Otherwise - can I has your stuff?
  • SkettSkett Posts: 1,477
    :D i saw that last night haha so lame !
  • Jha_durJha_dur Posts: 29
    The only true way to stop this is to take away all descriptions on items you put on vendors which would be a bad idea. They have been "scamming" this way for over 20 years and unless they took away the ability for you to put descriptions on items, they will continue. Pay attention to what you are buying, Not just at the descriptions but also the prices. People like to slip in a 20,000,000 item into a 2,000,000 stack of items in hopes you miss it.

    It sucks that people do this. I was gotten once along time ago. The experience stuck with me though and I have been cautious ever since.

  • DragoDrago Posts: 306
    Stop.  Read.  Re-read.  Then read again.
    This is a 30 year old game that doesn't forgive fast and reckless decisions...
  • Arnold7Arnold7 Posts: 1,409
    edited April 27
    Always check the UO description, actual prices of each item and what’s in the container if it’s the container full of items you are buying.  With durability items, ALWAYS check the durability to insure the item is not worn out.

    UO is trying to police this better by not allowing seller’s descriptions on some items.  Outright lies should not be allowed when found.
  • MerlinMerlin Posts: 230
    You can't take all the risk out of shopping in UO.  This is no different than real life.  Stealing is a feature of the game.  It was added specifically for a reason.  While the change to the scrolls is welcome, changing description setting rules for too many items will ultimately end up hurting honest players who aren't abusing the system. 

    Buyer Beware.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,005
    Merlin said:
    You can't take all the risk out of shopping in UO.  This is no different than real life.  Stealing is a feature of the game.  It was added specifically for a reason.  While the change to the scrolls is welcome, changing description setting rules for too many items will ultimately end up hurting honest players who aren't abusing the system. 

    Buyer Beware.
    When you put it that way, stealing is a feature of the game.  Then they are just trying to steal, which is a feature of the game.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,269
    Merlin said:
    You can't take all the risk out of shopping in UO.  This is no different than real life.  Stealing is a feature of the game.  It was added specifically for a reason.  While the change to the scrolls is welcome, changing description setting rules for too many items will ultimately end up hurting honest players who aren't abusing the system. 

    Buyer Beware.
    Somehow killing people and taking everything is ok but stealing not..
  • CinderellaCinderella Posts: 1,757
    The reason he originally posted this... He wasn't the only one who was getting frustrated at having page after page of tricorne hats with the description of plunderin. 

    This wasn't just happening on Atlantic but there they go overboard with them named that. This is intentional behavior and shouldn't be allowed. It isn't a buyer beware, it is a SCAM!!!

    This is different than putting a description on Artisan Festival items, where all the same items are just named one thing. They are doing it to DEFRAUD. And should be held accountable. Then this behavior would stop
  • ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 895
    edited April 30
    There is a post asking to change this behavior here, too:


    I'd guess 99%+ of all searches do not need to consider the player/attacker provided seller description.  

    Add a check-box search field, where the player has to "opt-in" to searching the seller provided text, if there is some reason to keep this capability.

    p.s. If memory serves, if you steal from an evil monster, you lose karma.  But you don't lose karma if you kill it.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,269
    Cinderella said:
    The reason he originally posted this... He wasn't the only one who was getting frustrated at having page after page of tricorne hats with the description of plunderin. 

    This wasn't just happening on Atlantic but there they go overboard with them named that. This is intentional behavior and shouldn't be allowed. It isn't a buyer beware, it is a SCAM!!!

    This is different than putting a description on Artisan Festival items, where all the same items are just named one thing. They are doing it to DEFRAUD. And should be held accountable. Then this behavior would stop
    No no no should they not be allowed to kill you either ? This hand holding killed thieves just stop 
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 400
    edited May 1
    This has absolutely nothing to do with using the stealing skill, against players or otherwise. What a strange tangent to bring up in defense of scamming. Be a big boy and just say "I think scamming should be allowed because lol" instead of trying to conflate it with past gameplay.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,269
    Lord_Nythrax said:
    This has absolutely nothing to do with using the stealing skill, against players or otherwise. What a strange tangent to bring up in defense of scamming. Be a big boy and just say "I think scamming should be allowed because lol" instead of trying to conflate it with past gameplay.
    Ok I think scamming is ok buyer beware 
  • CinderellaCinderella Posts: 1,757
    Grimbeard said:
    Cinderella said:
    The reason he originally posted this... He wasn't the only one who was getting frustrated at having page after page of tricorne hats with the description of plunderin. 

    This wasn't just happening on Atlantic but there they go overboard with them named that. This is intentional behavior and shouldn't be allowed. It isn't a buyer beware, it is a SCAM!!!

    This is different than putting a description on Artisan Festival items, where all the same items are just named one thing. They are doing it to DEFRAUD. And should be held accountable. Then this behavior would stop
    No no no should they not be allowed to kill you either ? This hand holding killed thieves just stop 
    a vendor has never killed me.
    however, when looking for a plunderin pirate hat
    it is aggravating when you have to click the right arrow repeatedly because of the SCAMMERS. 

    the first few days, a friend said she got tired of clicking the arrow after doing it for around 50 times. All of those were fakes.  And today i did that 23 times and that was just the ones that were listed under the 175K prices. (they also did it at higher amounts too)

    It is a scam and should not be allowed. Them allowing stuff like this, is what drives people away from the game.
  • keven2002keven2002 Posts: 2,263
    Cinderella said:
    Grimbeard said:
    Cinderella said:
    The reason he originally posted this... He wasn't the only one who was getting frustrated at having page after page of tricorne hats with the description of plunderin. 

    This wasn't just happening on Atlantic but there they go overboard with them named that. This is intentional behavior and shouldn't be allowed. It isn't a buyer beware, it is a SCAM!!!

    This is different than putting a description on Artisan Festival items, where all the same items are just named one thing. They are doing it to DEFRAUD. And should be held accountable. Then this behavior would stop
    No no no should they not be allowed to kill you either ? This hand holding killed thieves just stop 
    a vendor has never killed me.
    however, when looking for a plunderin pirate hat
    it is aggravating when you have to click the right arrow repeatedly because of the SCAMMERS. 

    the first few days, a friend said she got tired of clicking the arrow after doing it for around 50 times. All of those were fakes.  And today i did that 23 times and that was just the ones that were listed under the 175K prices. (they also did it at higher amounts too)

    It is a scam and should not be allowed. Them allowing stuff like this, is what drives people away from the game.
    I do believe in the buyer beware thought for most cases (even powerscrolls tbh) but I can see the issue with trying to find some hats on VS and having to sort throw pages of BS. This is a little bit of a unique situation though where the items that people are looking for are very similar to an item that is easily obtained.

    If the Dev team made these hats stand out from regular hats a little more from "fake" hats there probably wouldn't be as much of an issue because it greatly reduces the risk of people being fooled and would then reduce the amount of people trying to cash in on the fakes. A quick fix for this would be to make the hats a color you can't dye like blaze or the 2 tone ones we saw for some of the easter eggs.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,005
    Balron chests are 18M on Atl.  You should not be paying more than 225k each for hats.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • Victim_Of_SiegeVictim_Of_Siege Posts: 2,101
    Pawain said:
    Balron chests are 18M on Atl.  You should not be paying more than 225k each for hats.
    Being able to get as many hats an hour as I am getting, i'd pay about 50gold per hat at this point.


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  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,005
    Victim_Of_Siege said:
    Pawain said:
    Balron chests are 18M on Atl.  You should not be paying more than 225k each for hats.
    Being able to get as many hats an hour as I am getting, i'd pay about 50gold per hat at this point.


    A guy sold 99 hats for 400k earlier.  I told him it was too low, he said, Ill get more.  He said maybe I should auction.  A player called him greedy.  So while they were arguing I made a gate from the Sea Market.  And got the seller there, but I let another nice player buy them instead.

    And to whoever complained about us having a gate to the sea market....  I put a pox curse on you!  >:)
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • SkettSkett Posts: 1,477
    they are selling hats for 300k on pac already
  • Arnold7Arnold7 Posts: 1,409
    Can’t see anyone on Atlantic buying or selling many plunderin hats.  Just went through 31 pages of competitively priced hats the seller described as plunderin hats.  They all looked like plunderin hats but funny thing the UO description only identified around five of the hats listed on the first 31 pages as plunderin hats.  The rest UO identified as tricome hats.  Can’t really see many players paging through 31 pages of tricome hats with hope of finding an actual plunderin hat.  Let’s say a player want to buy the balron armor that costs 80 plunderin hats.  UO I will ask you since you are allowing this, how many pages of hats the seller labeled as plunderin hats will the player have to go through to find 80 actual plunderin hats and just how long will that take. 

    I looked at 5 vendor maps from 5 different pages and it appears that most of not all of the seller described plunderin hats are being sold by vendors on Fire Island, I think it’s called.  Wonder if that’s just a coincidence.

    I don’t sell on Atlantic so I guess it does not bother me that many players looking to buy plunderin hats on Atlantic would probably give up on trying to find the actual number of hats they need long before they got through the 31 or so pages of tricome hats labeled by the seller as plunderin hats that precede the pages of vendors actually selling plunderin hats. UO I know cheating is part of your games culture, but really I think you can do better than this.  Who’s going to scroll though what appears to be at least 31 pages of mostly bogus plunderin hats?  


  • TimStTimSt Posts: 1,866
    Sounds like the developers need an easy way to block certain words or phrases from the description field and purge them from the VS database without having to take the DB down for a day.
  • Petra_FydePetra_Fyde Posts: 1,455
    My thought is, why buy the hats at all when it's not that difficult to get your own?
  • keven2002keven2002 Posts: 2,263
    TimSt said:
    Sounds like the developers need an easy way to block certain words or phrases from the description field and purge them from the VS database without having to take the DB down for a day.

    Putting together a list of blocked words would be kind of arbitrary based on what they thought at the time (and would need to be updated). I don't think the Dev team needs spend that much effort to resolve the problem for hats (because it doesn't fully resolve it). Scammers are also trying to drop in regular hats when selling a bag of hats in a trade window. Some people don't look at all 100 hats they buy.

    The fix for the hats is very simple. They can change the color of the actual Plunderin Hats to blaze (or some other color that cannot be dyed) so that everyone knows from looking at the hat if they are real or not (and quickly). This resolves all issues with the hats which is currently the biggest scam out there. 

    Petra_Fyde said:
    My thought is, why buy the hats at all when it's not that difficult to get your own?
    I agree. If anyone is remotely worried about getting scammed for hats then I'd suggest just getting them themself. We still have 2+ months to collect the rewards so even playing only a couple hours here and there should be enough to get the rewards people want... it's not like there is much to choose from.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 400
    Grimbeard said:

    Ok I think scamming is ok buyer beware 

    Do you ever think maybe there's a reason that the gameplay you covet has basically perished completely from the face of the earth?
  • Arnold7Arnold7 Posts: 1,409
    It’s old game with an older player base.  Agree hats are not that hard to get for those of us that still can play in the void, or do beacons.  But not everyone that enjoys the game falls into that category anymore.  Also, it’s not fair to players with legitimate vendors selling real plunderin hats.
    that many players will give up looking for hats before they get to those.  Only plus, I see is the reward items that I looked at were legitimate.  If I played on Atlantic, my vendor would be selling those instead of hats.  And, if I were selling the fake hats, I would price my real items so they come up first in searches.
  • TjalleTjalle Posts: 85
    edited May 6
    Just make it toggable if you want to include sellers' descriptions or not.
    Problem solved.

    @Kyronix
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