DirectX9 nvidia interaction?

ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 900
Recent nVidia GPU drivers appear to be complaining when UO starts up "DX9 Overlay is disabled".
See the thread here:
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/nvd3drel-gr-805-dx9-overlay-is-disabled/196940

Thread isn't clear on what the side effects are, but I see the video going completely blank in game (sound continues) with the latest nVidia drivers -- occurs randomly.

Drivers that don't exhibit the problems are here:
https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/180555/en-us/

One interpretation of the nVidia thread is some deprecation of DirectX9 is taking place, not sure if the UO client needs to update to use later versions, or whether broadsword should contact nVidia regarding the implications of this change, if true.

Comments

  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,249Moderator
    May I ask what windows version you are running? Because my system says the directX version I have is DX12.  Is the problem with your system rather than UO?
  • ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 900
    edited October 2022
    Win10, supported directX major version is 12 (12.1).

    The message implies the EC UO client is using certain DirectX9 functions.

    The nVidia forum post implies nVidia may be / may have deprecated certain DirectX9 functionality.  Other posts suggest the applications using the features in question be changed to use DirectX10 or later.

    How this may or may not translate to lost graphics / functionality in the EC UO client would be for the devs to comment on, probably.
  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,249Moderator
    I queried because I too play in EC and have an nVidia graphics card but am not experiencing your problem. Is anyone else? or is this a user specific problem?
  • ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 900
    edited October 2022
    This is an nVidia 3000 series card, I don't think it's a user problem - it's a generic issue manifesting elsewhere for other people too.

    Asking others to check for the problems may not produce much feedback, as users may not know what to look for.  (Most users won't be good virtual car mechanics).  For instance, are shadow details lost?  Is idle animation detail lost, etc?  is lighting detail lost, is the FPS reduced, is there more CPU consumption, etc etc.     (As a side note, I am not seeing idle/fidget animations for the human male anymore, though I see it for female wraith, whether that's related to the reported issue here is unknown to me -- the fidget for human male appears limited to the held weapon moving, or a cape moving).

    The devs of the game are in the best position to comment on what may be functionally broken/degraded/etc given the GPU driver behavior.  Some of these things might be subtle.

    Keeping the "old" nvidia driver in place and active, for A->B comparison won't be straightforward for most people either.
  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,422

    This DX9 error is common with games that require Direct Play to be activated, so there is really no need to stuff around reinstalling DirectX . I had Direct Play activated from day one Win10, so missed this erroneous error message. ] DX 11.2 indicates the DX 'Feature level' your graphics card is capable of running.

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/...

    Why are you running DX9 when DX12 is out.

  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,422
    Google  nVidia 3000 support DX12

    In terms of DirectX 12 Ultimate support, NVIDIA GPUs currently have a huge advantage, since all the technologies implemented in the new API had already been implemented in their RTX 2000 series and obviously inherited in the RTX 3000.

  • ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 900
    edited November 2022
    Why are you running DX9 when DX12 is out.

    Is your question really "why is UO using DX9 when DX12 is out?".  That would best be directed to broadsword.

    The DirectPlay links are interference / red herring in nature:

    "DirectPlay is a DirectX API component that works as a network communication library. It allows video games to connect to the internet, a modem link, or a network to find game sessions for players."
     

  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,422
    Why are you running DX9 when DX12 is out.

    Is your question really "why is UO using DX9 when DX12 is out?".  That would best be directed to broadsword.

    The DirectPlay links are interference / red herring in nature:

    "DirectPlay is a DirectX API component that works as a network communication library. It allows video games to connect to the internet, a modem link, or a network to find game sessions for players."
     

    You do understand that DX12 supports DX9 and UO can not change what DX my machine is running.
  • ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 900
    edited November 2022
    Why are you running DX9 when DX12 is out.

    Is your question really "why is UO using DX9 when DX12 is out?".  That would best be directed to broadsword.

    The DirectPlay links are interference / red herring in nature:

    "DirectPlay is a DirectX API component that works as a network communication library. It allows video games to connect to the internet, a modem link, or a network to find game sessions for players."
     

    You do understand that DX12 supports DX9 and UO can not change what DX my machine is running.
    Thought experiment - if you assume the UO client is using DirectX 9, can you provide a link to information that shows the UO client will automatically use DirectX 12 APIs?  That possibility sounds somewhat intriguing.
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