Gargoyle version of scholars halo - 2 bugs

ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 528
edited August 2022 in Bugs
See a related issue here:
Vrulkax the Exalted artificer deletes items

Vrulkax will convert the human scholars halo to gargoyle form.  There are two issues here:

  1. Cannot use a clothing bless deed on the converted item, inconsistent with the human version.
  2. If you hand Vrulkax a blessed version of the human scholars halo for conversion, he hands you back a non blessed version.  (loss of item attribute).
Net is a disparity for gargoyles vs. humans.

(I haven't checked the other doom artifacts, so this may apply to other items as well).

Comments

  • ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 528
    edited August 2022
    The class of bug here affects other item conversion as well:

    Cuffs of the archmage - loses (item bless deed) status, as well as armor refinements status on conversion.

    (I do note the item durability is copied over, so there is some partial copy logic in play here).

  • McDougleMcDougle Posts: 3,741
    Gargoyles don't get nice things 
    Acknowledgment and accountability go a long way... 
  • gaygay Posts: 223
    Gargoyles armor is completely flawed overall, and are another prime example of a system in place being needlessly overhauled and re-invented.

    The fact that gargoyles only have one functioning slot for their head while humans and elves have two, and that functional earrings were should have immediately called for a fix for gargoyle armor. Practically speaking, gargoyles have ears and heads just like humans and elves, there is no reason that their "earrings" should be a head slot while our earrings are earrings. It's long overdue to be be resolved by with how they laid out the slots for gargoyles per their armor is just completely flawed.

    Another example, the reason we cannot transmog the hideous EP mask is because the gargoyle version of it is actually a neck slot, meaning if you transmogged one on to glasses a gargoyle could wear two of them.

    Even an adolescent fresh into their studies for basic video game engineering could see the flaws in that system, and provide a pretty quick fix for it. Especially when a system of slots for gear and paperdoll had already existed for 12 years prior.
  • looploop Posts: 166
    gay said:
    Gargoyles armor is completely flawed overall, and are another prime example of a system in place being needlessly overhauled and re-invented.

    The fact that gargoyles only have one functioning slot for their head while humans and elves have two, and that functional earrings were should have immediately called for a fix for gargoyle armor. Practically speaking, gargoyles have ears and heads just like humans and elves, there is no reason that their "earrings" should be a head slot while our earrings are earrings. It's long overdue to be be resolved by with how they laid out the slots for gargoyles per their armor is just completely flawed.

    Another example, the reason we cannot transmog the hideous EP mask is because the gargoyle version of it is actually a neck slot, meaning if you transmogged one on to glasses a gargoyle could wear two of them.

    Even an adolescent fresh into their studies for basic video game engineering could see the flaws in that system, and provide a pretty quick fix for it. Especially when a system of slots for gear and paperdoll had already existed for 12 years prior.
    I'm relieved that I'm not the only who feels this way! Obvious design mistakes annoy me more than anything. The way gargoyle armor maps to paperdoll slots is bizarre, the altering mechanics to transform gear are littered with convoluted exceptions, and the system creates a boneheaded maintenance burden: For every new item, now you have to add the gargoyle equivalent! But, hey don't complain, if you're annoyed by this system and you can shell out real money for a race change token!
  • ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 528
    edited August 2022
    Consider gargoyles that want to use a (converted) scholar's halo (earring), with Yukio's glass earrings equipped as well.   This doesn't work for gargoyles, yet it does for humans.

    So, introduce a new earring slot item for gargoyles "Kyronix capsule earring".  It's a container, that you can place two items into:  1) any existing normal gargoyle earring slot item, 2) a select set of human earring items (yukio's glass earrings, nightsite earrings, human solaria earrings, etc).  The container mirror the properties of the combined two items contained there-in.

    We already have quivers that act as containers. That's just one of many possible ways to fix this.  

    Another way:  have a left and right slot for earrings.  There are two ears...

     
  • McDougleMcDougle Posts: 3,741
    Consider gargoyles that want to use a (converted) scholar's halo (earring), with Yukio's glass earrings equipped as well.   This doesn't work for gargoyles, yet it does for humans.

    So, introduce a new earring slot item for gargoyles "Kyronix capsule earring".  It's a container, that you can place two items into:  1) any existing normal gargoyle earring slot item, 2) a select set of human earring items (yukio's glass earrings, nightsite earrings, human solaria earrings, etc).  The container mirror the properties of the combined two items contained there-in.

    We already have quivers that act as containers. That's just one of many possible ways to fix this.  

    Another way:  have a left and right slot for earrings.  There are two ears...

     No gargoyle can lose the resistance using yukio earrings would cause needless to say i complained and was shot down 
    Acknowledgment and accountability go a long way... 
  • ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 528
    This is the first time I've seen a concrete proposal on how to fix the problem...
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